domizi
Experienced Boot Camper
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Post by domizi on Jun 19, 2020 19:32:51 GMT
Since the 5600M option is available are you planning on upgrading after you returned your current mac? Initial benchmark test shows impressive performance gain, also HBM2 memory runs cooler thans GDDR6 and with the same 50W TDP, only catch is the price, maybe trade the CPU and RAM for the GPU? I would go for 5600M or maybe completely ditch Macbook Pros. I haven't decided on that but I am quite certain that they willl not refund/upgrade the computer based on Bootcamp activity. If they accept to replace it, I am still happy and I'll take it from there. I might even try to sell it then online ebay/gumtree. I wish 5600M was an option at the start - with 40 units as opposed to 24/20 it is a huge improvement. Plus the free ram type upgrade - I wouldn't mind 600-700 dollars for it. At the end of the day if you buy a eGPU you will pay the same and at the moment it is better than the eGPUs in terms of frame rate. It doesn't matter how powerful gpu is, because if it throttles, you will still get that stutter. So unless bootcamp is fixed, 5600m should not be a major improvement.
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Post by kutuzvden on Jun 19, 2020 21:59:10 GMT
I would go for 5600M or maybe completely ditch Macbook Pros. I haven't decided on that but I am quite certain that they willl not refund/upgrade the computer based on Bootcamp activity. If they accept to replace it, I am still happy and I'll take it from there. I might even try to sell it then online ebay/gumtree. I wish 5600M was an option at the start - with 40 units as opposed to 24/20 it is a huge improvement. Plus the free ram type upgrade - I wouldn't mind 600-700 dollars for it. At the end of the day if you buy a eGPU you will pay the same and at the moment it is better than the eGPUs in terms of frame rate. It doesn't matter how powerful gpu is, because if it throttles, you will still get that stutter. So unless bootcamp is fixed, 5600m should not be a major improvement. Ppl talk, 5600m is cooler, cause HMB2. I dont know - is it true, but i hope so. We should wait for the stress-tests, after that maybe ill sell my eGPU (RTX 2070) and MBP 16" with 5500m and buy MBP 16" with 5600m.
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fech
Newbie Boot Camper
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Post by fech on Jun 21, 2020 0:26:01 GMT
I think it is quite ridiculous that we spend so much money on a laptop like this with it's unnacceptable issues like thermal throttling. It is very annoying to game in this laptop (5500m, i7 @ 2.6Ghz).
Apple definitely needs to be aware of this. The reality is that people use this laptop for gaming, even if they do not advertise it like this. And the gaming generally happens in bootcamp as MacOS is shit for gaming and even more underperformance.
I have called Apple today to get my MacBook Pro replaced for the 5600m. I am still waiting for videos on how it performs under stress and not-so-ideal temps.
Anyone have experience with the 5600m? Or will that also be a waste of money?
I really wish this got some media coverage so that Apple gets onto fixing their shit bootcamp drivers, etc etc.
I really was doubting getting a Macbook Pro again, and I did it with hopes of good gaming, etc.
How do we get these problems noticed by Apple?
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 21, 2020 1:02:13 GMT
I think it is quite ridiculous that we spend so much money on a laptop like this with it's unnacceptable issues like thermal throttling. It is very annoying to game in this laptop (5500m, i7 @ 2.6Ghz). Apple definitely needs to be aware of this. The reality is that people use this laptop for gaming, even if they do not advertise it like this. And the gaming generally happens in bootcamp as MacOS is shit for gaming and even more underperformance. I have called Apple today to get my MacBook Pro replaced for the 5600m. I am still waiting for videos on how it performs under stress and not-so-ideal temps. Anyone have experience with the 5600m? Or will that also be a waste of money? I really wish this got some media coverage so that Apple gets onto fixing their shit bootcamp drivers, etc etc. I really was doubting getting a Macbook Pro again, and I did it with hopes of good gaming, etc. How do we get these problems noticed by Apple? The 5600M model also throttles after playing heavy games like RDR2 for 10~20mins or rendering in Vegas pro according to answers from the uploader of this video
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Post by achandlerwhite on Jun 22, 2020 16:40:49 GMT
I've come to the belief that it is the gradual rise in temp of the VRM chips that leads to this. The temps on the CPU and GPU might be OK, but delivering that sustained power wattage will still heat up the VRMS.
Someone at Reddit did a nondestructive mod to apply thermal pads against the VRMs to help with this: https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/gs6bal/2019_mbp_16_vrm_cooling_mod/
However that will tend to heat up the bottom of your macbook pro significantly if you over-do it.
For now I'm just using more power tools to limit the GPU clocks to 1000mhz -- seems to prevent too much heat buildup and still get decent perf.
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Post by deadspider187 on Jun 23, 2020 0:39:11 GMT
I've come to the belief that it is the gradual rise in temp of the VRM chips that leads to this. The temps on the CPU and GPU might be OK, but delivering that sustained power wattage will still heat up the VRMS. Someone at Reddit did a nondestructive mod to apply thermal pads against the VRMs to help with this: https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/gs6bal/2019_mbp_16_vrm_cooling_mod/ However that will tend to heat up the bottom of your macbook pro significantly if you over-do it. For now I'm just using more power tools to limit the GPU clocks to 1000mhz -- seems to prevent too much heat buildup and still get decent perf. I ordered 1.5mm and 0.5mm thermal pads (6k/whatever-rated per the post suggestion). I'm pretty sure I'm going to go forward with trying this. It doesn't seem like there's a downside to trying this and something is obviously reaching a thermal/power limit on the machine that is preventing it from achieving the expected performance of its hardware specifications. It sounds like components are overheating due to design. I personally believe that if I need to add thermal pads to reduce temps to extend the life of the laptop I just bought, I'll, rather unhappily, do so. This is really disappointing. Hearing that the brand new 5600m also has this issue is further proof that Apple is aware of these flaws and is allowing these bad design decisions to continue -- if not entirely intentional. I'm far invested in the Apple ecosystem for many reasons, but paying the "Apple Tax" should not be include paying for "gimped" or flawed hardware design. The MacBook Air thermal design is a joke. If you watch the Linus Tech Tip video on cooling the device, Apple didn't account for the heatsink tolerances to meet the CPU die for proper cooling, and that the fan is not connected to the CPU heatsink. These are unacceptable practices that I wouldn't expect on even budget knock-off laptops. Sorry if I come off as "ticked off", but come on...
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Post by drewberg11 on Jun 26, 2020 1:51:09 GMT
So I’m wondering if some of us have something faulty going on with the power supply or something with the power circuitry. Check out the below video. I’m getting massive frame rate and GPU clock drops. The second I ibplug power everything goes back to normal and immediately after plugging the power back in I get the issues again. Super weird.
Before anyone asks, yes I’ve tried plugging directly into the wall and I get the same issues. The issue is not every time but seemingly random.
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Post by neimos on Jun 26, 2020 11:12:18 GMT
So I’m wondering if some of us have something faulty going on with the power supply or something with the power circuitry. Check out the below video. I’m getting massive frame rate and GPU clock drops. The second I ibplug power everything goes back to normal and immediately after plugging the power back in I get the issues again. Super weird. Before anyone asks, yes I’ve tried plugging directly into the wall and I get the same issues. The issue is not every time but seemingly random. I doubt it. Your gpu and clock speeds look extremely good as compared to mine. I don't think there is an issue, you better check power settings on battery / in-plug mode. You might find the answer there, I assume More importantly how are you getting 1400MHz GPU clock speed and your temperature is at 70 degrees??? - how hot is the room, do you have an aircon there or are you using some cooling ? I am just speechless. In 30 seconds mine shoots up to 85-90 degrees and throttles.
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Post by drewberg11 on Jun 26, 2020 23:57:22 GMT
So I’m wondering if some of us have something faulty going on with the power supply or something with the power circuitry. Check out the below video. I’m getting massive frame rate and GPU clock drops. The second I ibplug power everything goes back to normal and immediately after plugging the power back in I get the issues again. Super weird. Before anyone asks, yes I’ve tried plugging directly into the wall and I get the same issues. The issue is not every time but seemingly random. I doubt it. Your gpu and clock speeds look extremely good as compared to mine. I don't think there is an issue, you better check power settings on battery / in-plug mode. You might find the answer there, I assume More importantly how are you getting 1400MHz GPU clock speed and your temperature is at 70 degrees??? - how hot is the room, do you have an aircon there or are you using some cooling ? I am just speechless. In 30 seconds mine shoots up to 85-90 degrees and throttles. Not a clue on the 1400mhz. It’s about 70 degrees Fahrenheit in my house but don’t get too jealous I think it just wasn’t a demanding section of the game and something funky was going on. I think on the previous page of this thread I posted some footage from outer worlds and that definitely causes temps to rise (Usually low to mid 80’s) and with it a boatload of throttling. I need to go back to that game and mess around with the power cable to see if I get an identical response. I’ll have to double check power settings as those have an off way of resetting themselves on my but the last time I was in there it was set to max performance. If you wouldn’t mind, and have steam, try the shadow of the tomb raider demo it’s free and let me know how it runs. I’d like to compare and contrast.
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Post by Francesco on Jun 28, 2020 12:37:33 GMT
So I’m wondering if some of us have something faulty going on with the power supply or something with the power circuitry. Check out the below video. I’m getting massive frame rate and GPU clock drops. The second I ibplug power everything goes back to normal and immediately after plugging the power back in I get the issues again. Super weird. Before anyone asks, yes I’ve tried plugging directly into the wall and I get the same issues. The issue is not every time but seemingly random. maybe VRM is triggering the throttle because power comes from the same side of GPU (right side).
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Post by drewberg11 on Jun 28, 2020 15:18:48 GMT
[quote author=" Francesco" [/quote]maybe VRM is triggering the throttle because power comes from the same side of GPU (right side).[/quote] I’m not sure. Below vid is take about 60seconds after booting up the computer and starting a game. As soon as the game booted it took about 10 seconds for the frame rate to plummet just sitting in the menu. It can’t be a coincidence that the frames come right back as soon as it’s unplugged from power. I’ve check the windows power settings and it’s set to max performance both on battery and plugged in.
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reapf
Newbie Boot Camper
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Post by reapf on Jun 29, 2020 17:02:40 GMT
Hello, i ran some tests in the hope they could be useful for someone and i noticed some strange behaviour. When forcing the minimum gpu clock to the maximum (same clock speed) through MPT, the gpu does not tend to down clock that often, however the cpu gets throttled down by a lot after some time (800Mhz). Vice-versa with the default settings, the cpu does not get throttled but the gpu does. During the tests the temperatures of both cpu and gpu were around 75-78 degrees celsius. Could it be some power-related problem or maybe the temperature of some sensor(s) we don't have access to?
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 30, 2020 0:52:32 GMT
Hello, i ran some tests in the hope they could be useful for someone and i noticed some strange behaviour. When forcing the minimum gpu clock to the maximum (same clock speed) through MPT, the gpu does not tend to down clock that often, however the cpu gets throttled down by a lot after some time (800Mhz). Vice-versa with the default settings, the cpu does not get throttled but the gpu does. During the tests the temperatures of both cpu and gpu were around 75-78 degrees celsius. Could it be some power-related problem or maybe the temperature of some sensor(s) we don't have access to? That's exactly what I've been experiencing. Recorded a few gameplay videos about this. I suspect it's the VRM that's causing this annoying behaviour.
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domizi
Experienced Boot Camper
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Post by domizi on Jun 30, 2020 8:08:07 GMT
Hello, i ran some tests in the hope they could be useful for someone and i noticed some strange behaviour. When forcing the minimum gpu clock to the maximum (same clock speed) through MPT, the gpu does not tend to down clock that often, however the cpu gets throttled down by a lot after some time (800Mhz). Vice-versa with the default settings, the cpu does not get throttled but the gpu does. During the tests the temperatures of both cpu and gpu were around 75-78 degrees celsius. Could it be some power-related problem or maybe the temperature of some sensor(s) we don't have access to? I suspect it's the VRM that's causing this annoying behaviour. Are you sure it's not Ursula heating up your pc? Things got hot and stuttery once you brought her home
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leon
Junior Boot Camper
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Post by leon on Jul 1, 2020 0:27:36 GMT
So I’m wondering if some of us have something faulty going on with the power supply or something with the power circuitry. Check out the below video. I’m getting massive frame rate and GPU clock drops. The second I ibplug power everything goes back to normal and immediately after plugging the power back in I get the issues again. Super weird. Before anyone asks, yes I’ve tried plugging directly into the wall and I get the same issues. The issue is not every time but seemingly random. I observe similar behavior when disconnecting and enabling the cable. Frequencies jump and come back again. What nonsense, the temperature is 65-70 degrees, but the performance is two or three times lower. I need stable performance and stable 80 degrees. Disgusting product for a lot of money. They are just arrogant monopolists. I hope it reaches the media!
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