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Post by 2tlavenue on Jun 13, 2020 15:20:59 GMT
Ok so as I predicted the 30W 500Mhz throttling is back. (I will update my first post)
(Please note that I’m not using MorePowerTool but only quick CPU and mac fans control to set the fans at full Blast on these videos.)
First there is the 40W 1000Mhz throttling (2.37 min), then the 35W 700Mhz throttling (2.49min) and finally the 30W 500Mhz throttling (8.14 min and 13.34 min 14.43 min 16.34 min 17.30 min).
When it's throttling down to 35W it recovers back to 40W when GPU is below 80°C then throttles again at 35W, it alternates again and again and later 30W happens, then recovers to 40W etc.....
This kind of throttling only happens when I push the GPU at 99% usage w/1300Mhz clock. (at ULTRA HIGH settings).
I usually play this game with HIGH settings, the GPU usage alternates between 50% to 99% and the clock between 400Mhz and 1300Mhz with fps blocked at a constant 40fps. When playing like that, I do not have the 30W w/500mhz throttling. Only the 40W and 35W, but it rare cause I'm not pushing the GPU at constant 99% usage so temps are mainly below 80°C. 30W throttling does happen when I'm recording with OBS I can see Both the GPU and CPU are running hotter.
1 month ago I was experiencing 30W 500Mhz throttling as soon as the GPU hit +80°C without being at a constant 99% GPU usage. It seems like the GPU isn’t always throttling the same way.
The first day I wanted to record throttling, I was able to play during +2h at constant 99% GPU usage without any 40W throttling, or when it happens it quickly recovers to 50W. (Sadly it failed recording it ... so I have no footage)
Then the day after, I experienced 40W throttling more often and after 20min of gameplay but it never throttled down to 30W 500Mhz.
Finally, I had the 30W throttling, the day after.
Maybe the next step is throttling directly to 30W 500Mhz when hitting +80°C (like it used to do) Will keep you updated.
This is something I already experienced, I was having the exact same throttling issues one or two months ago, then all of a sudden I was able to play for 2hours at 99% GPU usage without any throttling, and later the throttling issues reappeared.
I’m not sure it has something to do with ambient temperature. I tried playing in my basement which was I think around 20°C instead of 25°C in my bedroom and I had the same throttling. But I don’t have any thermometer so I’m not sure on the temps.
Will try it outside when it’s around 16°C / 20°C. One thing for sure is when I was able to play for +2hours without 30W 500Mhz temps were not below 20°C. But I can’t tell what’s the ambient temp when it’s throttling as I don’t have a thermometer.
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Post by reversed95 on Jun 13, 2020 21:25:14 GMT
Hi, I'd like to share my solution to this throttling. I used to have the same thing with my 5500M 8GB. I tried all kinds of things, but this is what finally worked for me. I think it was the combination of the fixes: 1. Switched thermal paste on both the cpu and the gpu with Gelid Extreme (although any high quality paste would be fine) If you wish to do this as well, be extremely careful and patient! It's a delicate machine and you need to remove a lot of connectors to get to the die. It does make a big difference however, in the end the temperature will be the same but with a way higher wattage consumed by the GPU and thus boosting higher. My stock paste was covering only 80% ish of the dies. 2. I put Thermalgrizzly thermal pads on top of the heatpipes so that there is a connection between the lower shell of the laptop and the heatpipes. This results in a higher temperature for lap use, but since I mostly game at a desk it's fine. 3. Perhaps the most important one, I changed the settings with MorePowerTool (sorry 5300m users, apparently it only works with 5500M.) I changed the frequency to 1250 max and 850 min for the gfx and 1200 max and 850 minimum for SoC. 4. I fixed the fans to full blast before gaming with macs fan control. 5. When playing GPU intensive games (RDR2 for example), I disable turbo boost with ThrottleStop to keep the CPU locked at approx 12W in order to have more thermal headroom for the GPU. However, for games like CoD Modern Warfare 2019 I keep it unlocked. Hopefully this will help some of you, because the 5500M 8GB is a powerful card for a machine this thin.
edit: I forgot to mention, I'm using the blue april drivers but just installing the driver with device manager, so no Radeon interface. Not sure if it makes a difference but it works for me.
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Post by Francesco on Jun 14, 2020 19:16:08 GMT
Hey guys, I wanna share my last unexpected experience with bootcamp gaming..
After all attempts such as ThrottleStop, QuickCPU, different drivers.. today i managed to play without a single FPS drop caused by throttling while playing Doom Eternal and Fortnite on High Settings.
2,3 GHz Intel Core i9 8 core
32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB
Driver: April Blue
What I did is simply right clicking on AMD software icon on bottom right and chose the "optimize performance" in the graphic profiles menu. This morning I played Doom Eternal and this evening I repeated the test playing Fortnite. No FPS drop.
Hope this is going to remain the same in time.. I really don't know if it's something related to AMD software settings (see also good results installing drivers directly from device manager without AMD software) or something else...
Hope it helps
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Post by abneryeash on Jun 14, 2020 19:39:18 GMT
I had a chance to test Process Lasso - turning off hyperthreading. Unfortunately, in my case it did not change lower GPU clock speeds. The temperature is low but during throttling, it was low anyway. What I noticed is, now the GPU throttles not because of the temperature but because of something else which I have no idea. With hyperthreading and full on 8core 8 thread - I do play a good 2-3 minutes temperatures rise to 85-90 degrees with GPU at clock speeds of 1100-1300MHz then GPU hits to low 300MHz then causes BD:PROCHOT and CPU goes to 800MHz. With disabled hyperthreading - full on 8 core - GPU clock speed starts with 1100-1300MHz after 5 seconds it gets low down to 300-400... longer period will be tested With 4 core 4 threads - same With 8 core 4 threads - same Temperatures are very well in good shape with disabling but I see no benefit. I will power limit GPU and increase the minimum frequency and see how it behaves triggering the BD: PROCHOT. It does not look promising. Fingers crossed. So far it looks like a new thermal paste and dust cleaning is on the way. Nothing is fixing it  or at least showing a sign of a sparkle. Edit: I have added the signals. Disabling hyperthreading does not work at all. BD: PROCHOT gets kicked in quite fast. I tried 4 and 8 Cores only and both of them fails. Temperatures do not get hot with all threads active but still there is 0 affect of it on GPU throttle and that causing the CPU going down to min freq. GPU was limited to 40W and lowest frequency was set to 600 MHz from morepowertool which did not work at all. I used MorePowerTool for the first time yesterday and it worked perfectly. I haven't read through the whole thread, but are you just not restarting your computer after applying new MorePowerTool settings? All I did was change the TDP max to 40W, the frequency range to 800MHz min and 1100 MHz max, hit "Write SPPT", and rebooted. Then in Afterburner while gaming I can see that I maintain a steady ~1000Mhz clock without ever breaking 80C GPU core. Note that I am also using ThrottleStop to set long and short power max to 25W. While gaming I see the CPU hover around 15W and 75C. I do same tweaks to my gpu as you did, my core frequency readings when gaming varies from 500 to 700MHz, and dropped to 0 when idle. Readings of VRAM are strange, which are wrong I suppose, 0C and fixed 1472MHz all the time. More importantly, I didn't encouter any gpu throttling under 300MHz after tweaking with MorePowerTool, kind of weird. |
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Post by leon on Jun 17, 2020 14:56:59 GMT
Ok so as I predicted the 30W 500Mhz throttling is back. (I will update my first post) (Please note that I’m not using MorePowerTool but only quick CPU and mac fans control to set the fans at full Blast on these videos.) First there is the 40W 1000Mhz throttling (2.37 min), then the 35W 700Mhz throttling (2.49min) and finally the 30W 500Mhz throttling (8.14 min and 13.34 min 14.43 min 16.34 min 17.30 min). When it's throttling down to 35W it recovers back to 40W when GPU is below 80°C then throttles again at 35W, it alternates again and again and later 30W happens, then recovers to 40W etc..... This kind of throttling only happens when I push the GPU at 99% usage w/1300Mhz clock. (at ULTRA HIGH settings). I usually play this game with HIGH settings, the GPU usage alternates between 50% to 99% and the clock between 400Mhz and 1300Mhz with fps blocked at a constant 40fps. When playing like that, I do not have the 30W w/500mhz throttling. Only the 40W and 35W, but it rare cause I'm not pushing the GPU at constant 99% usage so temps are mainly below 80°C. 30W throttling does happen when I'm recording with OBS I can see Both the GPU and CPU are running hotter. 1 month ago I was experiencing 30W 500Mhz throttling as soon as the GPU hit +80°C without being at a constant 99% GPU usage. It seems like the GPU isn’t always throttling the same way. The first day I wanted to record throttling, I was able to play during +2h at constant 99% GPU usage without any 40W throttling, or when it happens it quickly recovers to 50W. (Sadly it failed recording it ... so I have no footage) Then the day after, I experienced 40W throttling more often and after 20min of gameplay but it never throttled down to 30W 500Mhz. Finally, I had the 30W throttling, the day after. Maybe the next step is throttling directly to 30W 500Mhz when hitting +80°C (like it used to do) Will keep you updated. This is something I already experienced, I was having the exact same throttling issues one or two months ago, then all of a sudden I was able to play for 2hours at 99% GPU usage without any throttling, and later the throttling issues reappeared. I’m not sure it has something to do with ambient temperature. I tried playing in my basement which was I think around 20°C instead of 25°C in my bedroom and I had the same throttling. But I don’t have any thermometer so I’m not sure on the temps. Will try it outside when it’s around 16°C / 20°C. One thing for sure is when I was able to play for +2hours without 30W 500Mhz temps were not below 20°C. But I can’t tell what’s the ambient temp when it’s throttling as I don’t have a thermometer. Absolutely similar situation. It happens that the system works perfectly, without falling fps. But just you have to reboot, go to macOS, then back, as the problems begin again. The problem with optimization of some component. Or it was done intentionally so that people could not heat their laptops too much with games. But why is trotting happening at a temperature of 75 degrees ?! |
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Post by drewberg11 on Jun 17, 2020 16:54:20 GMT
It’s odd that MacOS can sustain over 90degrees for longer durations where in Windows my 16” faceplants even before 80. Theres a YouTuber “tally ho” that has a bunch of 16” comparison videos with all kinds of stress testing and gaming in particular and he’s hitting GPU temps in windows of 90 degrees without much throttling. Those of us getting 300hz GPU clocks near 80 or below does anyone have a clue if it’s a hardware defect in our computers or something software related with the bootcamp software or windows itself?
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Post by 2tlavenue on Jun 17, 2020 21:28:38 GMT
Ok se here is a footage of my 20W 300Mhz throttling.
The first day I wanted to record throttling, I was able to play during +2h at constant 99% GPU usage without any 40W throttling, or when it happens it quickly recovers to 50W. (Sadly it failed recording it ... so I have no footage)
Then the day after, I experienced 40W throttling more often and after 20min of gameplay but it never throttled down to 30W 500Mhz.
Finally, I had the 30W throttling, the day after.
And then the 20W 300Mhz throttling when hitting over 80°C.
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Post by deadspider187 on Jun 17, 2020 21:57:59 GMT
Not trying to rain on anyone's efforts here, after all, I am somewhat new to the forums (not the drivers themselves though), but since MorePowerTool can change the minimum and maximum GPU core clock speed, which seems to resolve the GPU core clock throttling, does anyone know why the memory clock is stuck at 1500mhz? Is this a sensor issue within MSI Afterburner, or is the memory clock being set incorrectly through firmware or drivers?
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Post by neimos on Jun 18, 2020 11:21:29 GMT
Quick update:
Regarding my BDProchot problem, I have found a fix and do it on your own risk. QuickCPU/ThrottleStop/MorePowerTool/ProjectLasso none of them works unless BDProchot is disabled.
Currently, I have Morepowertool frequencies defined max at 900 min at 600MHz.
ProjectLasso disabled hyperthreading
QuickCPU speedshift enabled desired frequency defined 2000Mhz - 3000Mhz (I change it depending on the ambient temperature)
And all of these do not work unless you disable BDPROCHOT signal in QuickCpu. Do it at your own risk.
Higher frequencies than these, puts the computer into sleep mode to cool off (it does not turn it off) and the temperatures operate 80-90 degrees depending on what you define the CPU speed. GPU is max at 80 degrees usually.
So in short there is something in the BDPROCHOT line that is causing to turn off the computer. Especially the touchbar area gets quite hot.
Game wise I get constant 600/900 freq on GPU and stable CPU speed at 2000-3000 MHz. Apex legends provides me 60fps on 1080p with medium settings.
I have had 8-9 instant turn offs when I was playing with frequencies.
I have not seen anyone in this chat with BD-Prochot problem hitting at 800Mhz min CPU frequency but all of us facing throttling of some sort.
Once this COVID fades away, mine is definitely going to apple store and I will try to replace/get refund for this product.
One more update - this BDProchot problem also occurs when I am coding - when the computer is crunching numbers CPU hits down to 800MHz also so therefore, there is an inherent problem with mine. If you can try yours, using throttlestops TSBENCH or throw in some number crunching, are you experiencing the same ?
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Post by marcustoneti on Jun 18, 2020 13:58:53 GMT
Hey guys!
After many tries, this is what I'm doing that is helping me (MacBook Pro 16', 5500M 4GB, 16GB RAM).
1. I live in Brazil, a really warm country most of the time, so I always need to use AC (at 21C) or a fan pointed to my MacBook (sucks, I know) and MacFansControl at full blast.
2. Set constant CPU usage while gaming in Advanced Power Settings: I do this putting a min and max usage at 65%. With this, my CPU usage is always at 1500 MHz.
3. Set a high min GPU memory clock (1050 MHz) with MorePowerTool: This is what helped the most, even with constant CPU usage my MacBook would still throttle when playing The Division 2, GPU memory clock would go from 1500 MHz to 190 MHz every minute (playing with custom settings at 2440x1080) after playing for some time, dropping my FPS from 50 to 10. Setting a high min GPU memory clock 1050 MHz (called GFX minimum(MHz) in MorePowerTool (Frequency tab)) changed this, MacBook still throttle sometimes, but only once every hour or two, everything is playable right now. Only tested this for two days, but I'll be playing some more tonight.
Also, I'm using April 2020 blue driver, ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner for some info. Temperatures are around 78C for GPU and 72C for CPU.
Hope this helps.
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 19, 2020 1:55:23 GMT
Quick update: Regarding my BDProchot problem, I have found a fix and do it on your own risk. QuickCPU/ThrottleStop/MorePowerTool/ProjectLasso none of them works unless BDProchot is disabled. Currently, I have Morepowertool frequencies defined max at 900 min at 600MHz. ProjectLasso disabled hyperthreading QuickCPU speedshift enabled desired frequency defined 2000Mhz - 3000Mhz (I change it depending on the ambient temperature) And all of these do not work unless you disable BDPROCHOT signal in QuickCpu. Do it at your own risk. Higher frequencies than these, puts the computer into sleep mode to cool off (it does not turn it off) and the temperatures operate 80-90 degrees depending on what you define the CPU speed. GPU is max at 80 degrees usually. So in short there is something in the BDPROCHOT line that is causing to turn off the computer. Especially the touchbar area gets quite hot. Game wise I get constant 600/900 freq on GPU and stable CPU speed at 2000-3000 MHz. Apex legends provides me 60fps on 1080p with medium settings. I have had 8-9 instant turn offs when I was playing with frequencies. I have not seen anyone in this chat with BD-Prochot problem hitting at 800Mhz min CPU frequency but all of us facing throttling of some sort. Once this COVID fades away, mine is definitely going to apple store and I will try to replace/get refund for this product. One more update - this BDProchot problem also occurs when I am coding - when the computer is crunching numbers CPU hits down to 800MHz also so therefore, there is an inherent problem with mine. If you can try yours, using throttlestops TSBENCH or throw in some number crunching, are you experiencing the same ? Hi,at first the CPU was doing okay but GPU throttles, and after I force the minimum GPU freqency to 1025MHz, the GPU throttling issue disappears. However, the CPU starts to throttle after gaming (resident evil 3 1080p all high settings) for 5 to 10 minutes, the CPU dipps down to 800MHz every 20 seconds then rises back. I tried increasing power limit to 35W, disabling c1e, bdprochot in QuickCPU, but none of them worked. What's weird is that both CPU and GPU stays relatively cool, never exceeding 80 degrees, so maybe it's the VRM to blame? |
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Post by neimos on Jun 19, 2020 10:14:16 GMT
Quick update: Regarding my BDProchot problem, I have found a fix and do it on your own risk. QuickCPU/ThrottleStop/MorePowerTool/ProjectLasso none of them works unless BDProchot is disabled. Currently, I have Morepowertool frequencies defined max at 900 min at 600MHz. ProjectLasso disabled hyperthreading QuickCPU speedshift enabled desired frequency defined 2000Mhz - 3000Mhz (I change it depending on the ambient temperature) And all of these do not work unless you disable BDPROCHOT signal in QuickCpu. Do it at your own risk. Higher frequencies than these, puts the computer into sleep mode to cool off (it does not turn it off) and the temperatures operate 80-90 degrees depending on what you define the CPU speed. GPU is max at 80 degrees usually. So in short there is something in the BDPROCHOT line that is causing to turn off the computer. Especially the touchbar area gets quite hot. Game wise I get constant 600/900 freq on GPU and stable CPU speed at 2000-3000 MHz. Apex legends provides me 60fps on 1080p with medium settings. I have had 8-9 instant turn offs when I was playing with frequencies. I have not seen anyone in this chat with BD-Prochot problem hitting at 800Mhz min CPU frequency but all of us facing throttling of some sort. Once this COVID fades away, mine is definitely going to apple store and I will try to replace/get refund for this product. One more update - this BDProchot problem also occurs when I am coding - when the computer is crunching numbers CPU hits down to 800MHz also so therefore, there is an inherent problem with mine. If you can try yours, using throttlestops TSBENCH or throw in some number crunching, are you experiencing the same ? Hi,at first the CPU was doing okay but GPU throttles, and after I force the minimum GPU freqency to 1025MHz, the GPU throttling issue disappears. However, the CPU starts to throttle after gaming (resident evil 3 1080p all high settings) for 5 to 10 minutes, the CPU dipps down to 800MHz every 20 seconds then rises back. I tried increasing power limit to 35W, disabling c1e, bdprochot in QuickCPU, but none of them worked. What's weird is that both CPU and GPU stays relatively cool, never exceeding 80 degrees, so maybe it's the VRM to blame? I don;t know if it is VRAM - Voltage regulators or any other component but there must a unit which is overheating and sending a signal over the BD PROCHOT line to cool-off. That's for sure. For the time being - 2GHz-3GHz clock speeds or disabled turbo with max GPU at 1000MHz and min at 800Mhz does the trick for me. I am going to the apple store for sure. |
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 19, 2020 10:22:23 GMT
Hi,at first the CPU was doing okay but GPU throttles, and after I force the minimum GPU freqency to 1025MHz, the GPU throttling issue disappears. However, the CPU starts to throttle after gaming (resident evil 3 1080p all high settings) for 5 to 10 minutes, the CPU dipps down to 800MHz every 20 seconds then rises back. I tried increasing power limit to 35W, disabling c1e, bdprochot in QuickCPU, but none of them worked. What's weird is that both CPU and GPU stays relatively cool, never exceeding 80 degrees, so maybe it's the VRM to blame? I don;t know if it is VRAM - Voltage regulators or any other component but there must a unit which is overheating and sending a signal over the BD PROCHOT line to cool-off. That's for sure. For the time being - 2GHz-3GHz clock speeds or disabled turbo with max GPU at 1000MHz and min at 800Mhz does the trick for me. I am going to the apple store for sure. Since the 5600M option is available are you planning on upgrading after you returned your current mac? Initial benchmark test shows impressive performance gain, also HBM2 memory runs cooler thans GDDR6 and with the same 50W TDP, only catch is the price, maybe trade the CPU and RAM for the GPU? |
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Post by leon on Jun 19, 2020 14:51:33 GMT
I noticed when the power supply is very hot, there is a decrease in the frequencies of the processor and especially the video card, even if their temperature is 65-70 degrees. If the power supply is warm, frequency reduction does not occur. Means a power problem. I also noticed that if I pull out the power cable for a second, I jump to the maximum and then come back. It is not clear how to make sure that the power supply that does not overheat in the outlet. It happens that I played RDR2 for more than one hour and the power supply remained warm, and sometimes it immediately gets very hot. This is the main problem.
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Post by neimos on Jun 19, 2020 15:05:19 GMT
I don;t know if it is VRAM - Voltage regulators or any other component but there must a unit which is overheating and sending a signal over the BD PROCHOT line to cool-off. That's for sure. For the time being - 2GHz-3GHz clock speeds or disabled turbo with max GPU at 1000MHz and min at 800Mhz does the trick for me. I am going to the apple store for sure. Since the 5600M option is available are you planning on upgrading after you returned your current mac? Initial benchmark test shows impressive performance gain, also HBM2 memory runs cooler thans GDDR6 and with the same 50W TDP, only catch is the price, maybe trade the CPU and RAM for the GPU? I would go for 5600M or maybe completely ditch Macbook Pros. I haven't decided on that but I am quite certain that they willl not refund/upgrade the computer based on Bootcamp activity. If they accept to replace it, I am still happy and I'll take it from there. I might even try to sell it then online ebay/gumtree. I wish 5600M was an option at the start - with 40 units as opposed to 24/20 it is a huge improvement. Plus the free ram type upgrade - I wouldn't mind 600-700 dollars for it. At the end of the day if you buy a eGPU you will pay the same and at the moment it is better than the eGPUs in terms of frame rate. |
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or at least showing a sign of a sparkle.
