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Post by goldmaster11 on Jun 8, 2020 6:33:58 GMT
I now have OBS Studio recording the entire screen in-game if anyone still needs me to produce more video footage. Yes please. As many videos as you can, I have spoken with Apple Care. They have opened up a case for me. But mainly they can’t help with it as it was in Bootcamp. They were asking me if I can generate the same in MacOS. The problem is they are undervolting in MacOS and it is not that easy. But I ll escalate this issue with them and if we have a lot of videos - it would help me prove my case for sure. For me as of now - throttling is still a case and BD PRochot is becoming active not because of CPU or GPU but something else. They were saying throttling was normal which I hugely disagree as some of us have really good temperatures. Secondly, which is the main issue - the GPU and CPU never recovers back unless the game is quit and even though the temperatures were below 70C. Alright. However, it may be harder now because I am deliberately underclocking the processor to 2.2GHz using Quick CPU's SpeedShift settings. I will eventually get IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles, which is more CPU intensive, so it would be easier to trigger BD Prochot there. Does anyone here have infrared cameras to show the thermal profile during thermal throttling or just something that can measure temperature at a point?
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Post by 2tlavenue on Jun 9, 2020 20:57:02 GMT
Hi!
I want to record my GPU throttling but don't know what software I should use. I tried Fraps and Xbox Game bar but it crashed the game ...
thanks Max
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Post by goldmaster11 on Jun 10, 2020 1:05:02 GMT
Hi! I want to record my GPU throttling but don't know what software I should use. I tried Fraps and Xbox Game bar but it crashed the game ... thanks Max Use OBS Studio (64-bit version). Make sure the base resolution and output resolution are equal to the resolution you play your games at.
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Post by ray1211 on Jun 10, 2020 5:13:55 GMT
Same issue here. Works great for 20 or so minutes before I get serious throttling. 5500M 8GB 16" MacBook Pro. Sad to see that this is something we may just have to deal with. Apple is not very receptive if there is an issue only reproducible in bootcamp. Alt tabbing results in performance jumping up back to regular GPU speeds until a few minutes later.
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 10, 2020 15:28:07 GMT
Received my MBP 16-inch today, booted win to go from an external SSD, did some tweaks, tested some games, and got the SAME throttling issue - Tweaks I did: - Installed custom bootcamp.com AMD driver. - MacsFanControl turned fans to fullblast - QuickCPU enabled speedshift and set minimum CPU clock to 3.0GHz - Games I've tested: - Resident evil 3 Remake: constant 60 FPS all high settings in 1080p. Throttles down to 40ish FPS after about 40 mins. - GTA V: constant 60 FPS medium (turned down anti-aliasing) to high settings in 1080p. Similar isssue. - Clock Speed: - GPU clock drops down to (400~500)MHz. - Although CPU clock speed stays relatively stable. - Temperature: - GPU: 80 degree celcius maximum, 76 average - CPU: a little bit cooler than the CPU Gonna record some videos soon
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Post by 2tlavenue on Jun 10, 2020 15:28:40 GMT
Same issue here. Works great for 20 or so minutes before I get serious throttling. 5500M 8GB 16" MacBook Pro. Sad to see that this is something we may just have to deal with. Apple is not very receptive if there is an issue only reproducible in bootcamp. Alt tabbing results in performance jumping up back to regular GPU speeds until a few minutes later. Hey everyone, Like many of us here, I have some annoying GPU throttling when gaming. I have the MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz. The issue is, after around 10min of gameplay, the GPU is getting very hot (+85°) and the clock is throttling from 1300Mhz (50W) to +900Mhz (40W) (with a GPU usage blocked at 99%). I had throttling down to 500Mhz before but I haven't experienced it again since I've updated to windows 2004 and macos 10.15.5. I thought it could be because of bad thermal paste so I opened my MBP to see if it was the case, then repasted it with grizzly kryonaut : I'm not an expert of thermal paste but the thermal paste on CPU seems to be dried out. I noticed there was a "scratch" on the GPU cooler :I don't know how deep it is and if it was really a scratch, but could this be why the GPU is getting so hot ? I know this is a pain in the ass, but for those of you having heat issues, could you repaste your MBP and see if your GPU cooler is scratched too ? After repasting, temps are the same on CPU and GPU, I didn't see any improvement. I've seen an user on this forum telling he gained -10°C repasting with grizzly kryonaut, now that I repasted mine, I doubt thermal paste application is the cause of his improvement. Here is my GPU throttling video (will post another one if I experience 500Mhz throttling again): I hope with all those proofs, we will have an answer from Apple and they'll fix the problem. Max
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Post by guantingdu on Jun 11, 2020 3:57:16 GMT
Same issue here. Works great for 20 or so minutes before I get serious throttling. 5500M 8GB 16" MacBook Pro. Sad to see that this is something we may just have to deal with. Apple is not very receptive if there is an issue only reproducible in bootcamp. Alt tabbing results in performance jumping up back to regular GPU speeds until a few minutes later. Hey everyone, Like many of us here, I have some annoying GPU throttling when gaming. I have the MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz. The issue is, after around 10min of gameplay, the GPU is getting very hot (+85°) and the clock is throttling from 1300Mhz (50W) to +900Mhz (40W) (with a GPU usage blocked at 99%). I had throttling down to 500Mhz before but I haven't experienced it again since I've updated to windows 2004 and macos 10.15.5. I thought it could be because of bad thermal paste so I opened my MBP to see if it was the case, then repasted it with grizzly kryonaut : I'm not an expert of thermal paste but the thermal paste on CPU seems to be dried out. I noticed there was a "scratch" on the GPU cooler :I don't know how deep it is and if it was really a scratch, but could this be why the GPU is getting so hot ? I know this is a pain in the ass, but for those of you having heat issues, could you repaste your MBP and see if your GPU cooler is scratched too ? After repasting, temps are the same on CPU and GPU, I didn't see any improvement. I've seen an user on this forum telling he gained -10°C repasting with grizzly kryonaut, now that I repasted mine, I doubt thermal paste application is the cause of his improvement. Here is my GPU throttling video (will post another one if I experience 500Mhz throttling again): I hope with all those proofs, we will have an answer from Apple and they'll fix the problem. Max Is the video showing performance after you changed thermal paste? It seems helped a bit since the clock speed flows around 1000Mhz, while mine is just drop to 300 and stays there. Thank you for your info.
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Post by 2tlavenue on Jun 11, 2020 6:32:22 GMT
Hey everyone, Like many of us here, I have some annoying GPU throttling when gaming. I have the MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz. The issue is, after around 10min of gameplay, the GPU is getting very hot (+85°) and the clock is throttling from 1300Mhz (50W) to +900Mhz (40W) (with a GPU usage blocked at 99%). I had throttling down to 500Mhz before but I haven't experienced it again since I've updated to windows 2004 and macos 10.15.5. I thought it could be because of bad thermal paste so I opened my MBP to see if it was the case, then repasted it with grizzly kryonaut : I'm not an expert of thermal paste but the thermal paste on CPU seems to be dried out. I noticed there was a "scratch" on the GPU cooler :I don't know how deep it is and if it was really a scratch, but could this be why the GPU is getting so hot ? I know this is a pain in the ass, but for those of you having heat issues, could you repaste your MBP and see if your GPU cooler is scratched too ? After repasting, temps are the same on CPU and GPU, I didn't see any improvement. I've seen an user on this forum telling he gained -10°C repasting with grizzly kryonaut, now that I repasted mine, I doubt thermal paste application is the cause of his improvement. Here is my GPU throttling video (will post another one if I experience 500Mhz throttling again): I hope with all those proofs, we will have an answer from Apple and they'll fix the problem. Max Is the video showing performance after you changed thermal paste? It seems helped a bit since the clock speed flows around 1000Mhz, while mine is just drop to 300 and stays there. Thank you for your info. No can’t be thermal paste because I’m reaching the exact same temps as before. Yes this video is after repaste. I’m not 100% sure but when I played after repasting, I had the same throttling at 500Mhz when reaching +80°C. And it happens instantly. (Was playing on a tv). Whereas after uploading windows, I was able to play 2h at +84°C without any throttling, or when it was throttling at 40w it would quickly recovers at 50W, like if the GPU had reset and forgot he could throttle. Constant Throttling reappears The day after, when it reaches 40w it will not recover at 50W. But I’m pretty sure 500Mhz throttling will be back as It took time for the constant 40w throttling to reappear.
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Post by pazzavlad on Jun 11, 2020 13:01:13 GMT
2tlavenue, thanks for you post, now we can be sure it's not a thermal paste problem in the first place.
Is there was substantial difference in ambient temperature in days when you notice FPS drops and when you don't? It makes big difference in my case of gpu clock throttling.
Seems like ambient temperature has big effect on throttling, though if I look at GPU and CPU temperature they almost the same.
Two weeks ago I've recorded a video when there was about 16-17 celsius degree outside. GPU throttle just a bit in 1080 Ultra, but I can play in 1080p in High, getting stable 60 FPS. GPU keep at ~900-1000 MHz.
These days we have about 25 celsius degree outside, so I'll record the same test in new conditions.
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 11, 2020 13:13:14 GMT
Just recorded some gameplay, and the GPU starts throttling after 10 mins. It's really irresponsible of me claiming having 40mins smooth gameplay, sorry about that. apparently I have an extremely distorted sense of time.
Played on the 2019 16-inch MBP configured with: 2.3GHz i9-9880H, 32GB RAM, 5500M with 8GB VRAM, 1TB SSD
Booted bootcamp from an external SSD (Samsung T7) Installed custom drivers from bootcampdrivers.com (2020 April Red) QuickCPU enabled speedshift minimum clock speed to 3.0GHz MacsFanControl dual fan speed set to fullblast
Recorded with Windows Game Bar at 60 FPS
Resident evil 3 at 1920x1080 resolution all high settings
Frame drop starts at 4:34 Serious throttlings starts at 11:18 CPU, GPU rises to 79, 80 then stays relatively cool (70, 73 degrees celcius respectively) after throttling,
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Post by deadspider187 on Jun 11, 2020 23:26:39 GMT
I was able to get some success by using Quick CPU to reduce the CPU package to 15-25 watts and heavily use CPU parking to reduce temperature, and then using the MorePower Tool (with the 5500m bios loaded) to raise the minimum core speed to 1000-1200 (up from the default 300mhz), then I set the max speed to 1300mhz. Weirdly, both MSI Afterburner and the MorePower Tool seem to be registering the VRAM as running at 1500mhz, not the spec'd 1200mhz from notebookcheck.net. I tried lowering the VRAM speed to 1400mhz, which worked, but going below that rendered Windows unstable. By using these settings I have been able to get between (estimating here...) 15-50 extra FPS. In Subnautica I was able to go from 1080P to 1440P max settings and maintain 55-60FPS. There's still stuttering in many games, and including Furmark, even though I have kept the GPU temps in the 72-82c range. I suspect this may be related to some other component without access to the sensor reaching a voltage/temperature limit, or the VRAM is being incidentally overclocked and this is a direct result of that.
I'm currently using April 2020 blue edition drivers, Windows 10 Bootcamp on the internal SSD, and have tested Subnautica, Doom Eternal, and Pathologic 2.
I have also tried upping the core speed to ~1450mhz and the GPU wattage to 55 watts, which also seemed to work without drastic temperature changes, but the stuttering still exists.
Since I am unfamiliar with these tools I don't know exactly what I'm doing, and I strongly recommend that others that are uncertain about these things avoid trying this out themselves.
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Post by illuminati0fficial on Jun 12, 2020 5:42:50 GMT
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Post by neimos on Jun 12, 2020 15:49:04 GMT
Same issue here. Works great for 20 or so minutes before I get serious throttling. 5500M 8GB 16" MacBook Pro. Sad to see that this is something we may just have to deal with. Apple is not very receptive if there is an issue only reproducible in bootcamp. Alt tabbing results in performance jumping up back to regular GPU speeds until a few minutes later. Hey everyone, Like many of us here, I have some annoying GPU throttling when gaming. I have the MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz. The issue is, after around 10min of gameplay, the GPU is getting very hot (+85°) and the clock is throttling from 1300Mhz (50W) to +900Mhz (40W) (with a GPU usage blocked at 99%). I had throttling down to 500Mhz before but I haven't experienced it again since I've updated to windows 2004 and macos 10.15.5. I thought it could be because of bad thermal paste so I opened my MBP to see if it was the case, then repasted it with grizzly kryonaut : I'm not an expert of thermal paste but the thermal paste on CPU seems to be dried out. I noticed there was a "scratch" on the GPU cooler :I don't know how deep it is and if it was really a scratch, but could this be why the GPU is getting so hot ? I know this is a pain in the ass, but for those of you having heat issues, could you repaste your MBP and see if your GPU cooler is scratched too ? After repasting, temps are the same on CPU and GPU, I didn't see any improvement. I've seen an user on this forum telling he gained -10°C repasting with grizzly kryonaut, now that I repasted mine, I doubt thermal paste application is the cause of his improvement. Here is my GPU throttling video (will post another one if I experience 500Mhz throttling again): I hope with all those proofs, we will have an answer from Apple and they'll fix the problem. Max Great work and thanks for sharing the pasting. I want to comment on your throttling. Tbh it does not seem super extreme like the many of us. I would be happy if I have the same settings as you do. 2.5GHz constant clock speed and 700-1000MHz GPU speed is far from what I am achieving - 1300-1700MHz CPU and 300-500 GPU looks like a joke when compared to yours.
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Post by drewberg11 on Jun 12, 2020 17:15:02 GMT
I’m loosing my mind trying to figure this out. I continue to get massive GPU throttling. No matter what I’ve tried. I tried Quick CPU either disabling turbo boost or trying to just limit CPU wattage. I’ve tried throttle stop disabling turbo boost. It doesn’t matter. I also have Radeon chill enabled to limit FPS to 60 because I get the problems even sooner if it’s off. Sometimes I’ll get 10mins of gaming before it happens. It really doesn’t even seem to be temperature dependent either. For reference it’s the base model 5500m and I’m running Mac fan control and January Red drivers. Although I had the same issue with January Blue.
The video linked below is after it happened twice, I restarted windows both times because restarting the application did nothing. The video is literally within 60 seconds of rebooting windows.
Sorry for the crap quality best I could manage one handed.
This next vid is with BD prochot disabled.
Is it possible something else is overheating which is triggering the throttling? Coworker was saying he had a gaming laptop a couple years back that exhibited the same behavior, but it ended up being the battery was overheating while charging.
Also, has anyone tried this out? Someone over on Reddit put thermal pads on the VRMs. I’m reluctant since I and my wife use the laptop so much our my laps.
https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/gs6bal/2019_mbp_16_vrm_cooling_mod/
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Post by Francesco on Jun 13, 2020 11:51:11 GMT
Hey everyone. I'm keeping an eye on this thread and generally browsing the web for this throttling issues. I've a MacBook Pro 16'' 2,3 GHz Intel Core i9 8 core with AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB. When first bought this machine i easily played Fortnite and Doom Eternal at high settings both at native resolution. Then suddenly I started noticing frame drop after about 10minutes playing. Since the official AMD drivers still does not support different resolutions with actual full screen, I've tried installing all kind of drivers available on bootcampdrivers.com obtaining higher fps but eventually reaching the inevitable fate of throttling. I think something changed in the last months, maybe software updates broke SMC thermal and voltage management? Or maybe the only thing that actually changed is the environment temperature? It doesn't actually make sense that I could play DoomEternal with native resolution and now I can't even play for more than 5-10 minutes with 1920x1200 resolution without huge frame drop (throttled). I'm trying then to spend some money on a cooling pad just to test the theory about environment temps. Apart from that this is an exceptional and powerful machine for daily work. Sadly thinking about returning to just ps4 for spot entertainment
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