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Post by vega20ok on Jul 5, 2019 9:25:33 GMT
Same thing happens on my Vega 20. I didn't want to go through the struggle of shipping my Mac and doing an eGPU again, especially considering the fact that this card is capable of gaming without the nonsense throttling. I honestly don't care if it's generating heat since I usually upgrade often anyway. How does 19.2.2 work for you? It's the only version that works perfectly for me. No throttling, 1262 MHz core clock 99% usage It doesn't throttle down to 300 MHz and back to 1262 MHz; it just slowly throttles until I lose half my frame rate. |
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Post by themaclife on Jul 8, 2019 23:01:02 GMT
Experiencing similar problems with big FPS drops on my 460 MacBook Pro. June Edition of the drivers hasn't fixed this either. Card throttles down hard (0-20% usage) when the temperatures reach around 70-80 degrees Celsius, but sometimes it will throttle down hard even at significantly lower temps for no clear reason. Tweaking Afterburner settings to lower clock speed helps a bit. Using an external cooling device also helps a bit.
Any way to manually tell the GPU to not throttle until much higher temps (95 degrees or so)? I'm cool with it running hot as long as my fps don't drop.
Edit: I noticed that if you change the Temp Limit in Afterburner, it doesn't stick when you save it. It reverts to 104 degrees max no matter what I change it to, but obviously the real temp limit that is imposed before throttling is much, much lower. I guess this implies that Afterburner doesn't really have control over the temp limit, and the drivers themselves do? Sry if I sound dumb, I'm kinda new at this stuff.
Edit 2: Radeon Wattman resets my 460 to its default clock settings after encountering an error, so I have to keep resetting GPU clock speeds and voltage to what I want them to be in Afterburner every time Wattman resets (crashes?). This happens at least several times a day, even at default clock settings sometimes. Using an external display seems to make this event more common.
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Post by erutan on Jul 11, 2019 1:35:30 GMT
I find that even though macsfancontrol doesn't control fan speeds on newer laptops (it works on my 2016 MBP w/ 460, a T1), if I toggle fanspeed to custom (anything) and then back to auto I'll have more consistent FPS without spikes vs if I just play in bootcamp right after switching from macOS. Doesn't solve OP's problem, but might be of use to someone.  |
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Post by m10 on Jul 12, 2019 2:39:52 GMT
I have Raedon Pro 555 and this is happening to me rn, does anyone know a fix ?
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Post by goldmaster11 on Jul 12, 2019 7:47:07 GMT
Since last month, I have had throttling issues with the Vega 20 MacBook Pro on both Windows 10 1809 and 1903. I mostly exclusively play War Thunder, a game far less demanding than the most demanding PC titles. When it was brand new, nearly all air maps ran at 60fps at movie settings. Now after a few hours, soft throttling would occur when running on a very demanding map. Temperatures were usually 70-75 degrees Celsius when playing the game. Hitting 100 degrees only happens on instantaneous spikes. I have seen other YouTubers run far more demanding games like Battlefield 5 on the same GPU at a playable framerate at high or ultra settings. Particularly, Tally Ho Tech's 2019 MacBook Pro with 8 cores manages to not throttle even after 3 hours of gaming in Boot Camp.
Resetting SMC, NVRAM, and PRAM did not fix this issue.
At one point in 1809 it was so bad that it throttled even in games not so demanding. Soft throttling occured at one point playing Cold Waters, which people have run on much older MacBooks fine at lowered settings. Dolphin Emulator showed the same behavior in Kirby's Return to Dream Land, which can run well even on low-end computers, when Tab was held to remove framerate limit and cause turbo boost to 4GHz. It would gradually throttle to 800MHz with the fans spinning at 6000rpm. The games would get stutters due to the CPU throttle.
Windows 10 1903 was installed, and June 2019 drivers were installed. This issue is partially resolved, but it only delays the CPU throttling in War Thunder. Demanding maps would still cause lag and eventually bring down the CPU to 800MHz.
There is no way to control the fans due to access to the SMC blocked by the T2 chip in Boot Camp.
Has anyone been able to control a T2 MacBook Pro with Radeon Wattman to adjust GPU power? If so, how can this be enabled for this specific model?
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Post by over on Aug 24, 2019 22:41:20 GMT
Same issues here with 555X, Win10/1903.
Tried 17.20 (default in Bootcamp) / 18.12 (bootcampdrivers.com) / 18.40(Latest on AMD.com for Mac) / Aug 2019 (bootcampdrivers.com)
None worked.
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Post by meatplow on Oct 12, 2019 0:34:10 GMT
Running 19.2.2 560X... shows up as Radeon Pro Series in Display Adaptors. Runs pretty well when I knock the rez in everything to 1680x1050, with pretty much everything off ( DayZ SA runs around 70-80 FPS). I'm wondering if we have anymore traction on performance issues... NMS chugs frequently as does Subnautiqa, Grim Dawn, ARK and EFT is unplayable, even with downgraded settings. I'm holding out for nextGen AMD offerings on a MBP, but I was hoping to get more out of this laptop before I swap it out.
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Post by djprins on Oct 29, 2019 12:45:17 GMT
Hi, i think this has nothing to do with the GPU but with the CPU. I had the same problem with some games and it was just because my CPU started thermal throttling. It normally didn’t so i came to the conclusion that this could be some dirty fans. Didn’t really wanted to open it myself. Not that i’m inexperienced with opening tech but because it is a very important laptop for my work and school, and in case i destroy something i have to put the blame on myself. When i asked at the Apple store if they could do it they said that they will do it for free when you make an appointment. Got it done and never experienced any issues since then (i even overclocked the GPU).
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Post by phate on Oct 29, 2019 15:01:29 GMT
On my MacBook Pro 2018 with Vega 20 FPS drops too.
With the official Appledriver these FPS-Drops are less recognizable.
Is there a possible solution for this issue?
That would be great.
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Post by badger on Dec 10, 2019 4:13:03 GMT
Hmm... i had the same problems as you. I removed all the dust that cluttered the two air intakes on my macbook pro 15" 2018 and thermal throttling has stopped bugging me ever since. At the very least, I didn't see sudden performance drop from playable fps to stop animation fps. The games I tested were Destiny 2, Call of Duty WWII, Wolfenstein II and Dragon Ball FighterZ.
I also tried placing an ice pack underneath my macbook pro and FPS jumped from 30-ish to near 60 in Destiny 2 (1920x1200, high settings). I am aware this cooling method is kinda dumb but at least I know I can get decent FPS boost with some aggressive cooling.
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Post by 7cryptospace on Mar 7, 2020 4:38:47 GMT
I have the same problem as well. The original bootcamp (Mojave) with the AMD drivers for MacOS from the website worked very well and I was getting a constant 60fps in Doom 2016. After catalina and the updated bootcamp, neither the current drivers from here nor the ones on AMD website (latest and old) are stuttering in Doom even in the menu screen.
Frustrating. Since it worked before this must be a driver problem.
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Post by daves on Apr 29, 2020 0:29:57 GMT
The 560X has a 35w max power draw its the same as the 560, it is standard behaviour to throttle to around 750mhz during high load and lower if also stressing the CPU. this is going to sound insane but please try gaming again for extended periods of time on a thick glass or metal surface eg a glass table and see if the problem still persists.You are a wizard! Thank you! Sorry didn't try your advice earlier...Didn't find any glass or metal surfaces. Finally got to game on glass table, and it finally helped! Cpu frequency is stable around 2,5 ghz and 1004ghz for gpu for half an hour. Before it started to throttle like after 5 minutes. Now I wonder if I can buy some glass plates to put on my wooden desk? Because I cant always have my mac on glass table where I tested it. I registered just to share my experience, since I was having the same throttling/fps dropping described in this thread and did not find any well verified source. Highlighted the key-sentence in the quote above. tl;dr: While gaming, keep the laptop with the lid open and on a surface that dissipates heat properly.
My setup:
Symptoms: - After a few minutes gaming, the GPU would start throttling its clock down from 1004 to the minimum of 214 MHz (as defined in "Performance > Tuning" tab of the Radeon control panel. Note that this tab remains hidden unless the "Extend official overclocking limits" checkbox is On in MSI Afterburner's settings)
- Although power consumption was also low-ish, it was not immediately obvious to be the problem (hovering on the 14W; after the fix it usually draws around 24W at "perfect" performance)
- Macs Fan Control running at full burst
- Turbo Boost Power values of the CPU limited to 25W with Intel XTU
The long explanation:
After much testing and tinkering with little success, I decided to try putting the MBP on a glass surface. It just happened that I had a glass table lying around, and it just happened that in order to move the MBP from where it usually sits (and keeping all the cables still in reach) I had to take it out of its resting place. Immediately noticed a boost in MHz/fps, with the consequent head-scratching. Next I tried moving my plugged cables around, because I read in some places that having the power/hubs on the right side might increase heat due to the GPU being in that side. Moving those to the left side, unplugging the USB hub and leaving only one external display, shown little to no improvement. The next test was moving the MBP out of its little hole under the mStand, out to the left side of the desk (where I had previously set the glass table surface in my first test), following the logic that maybe the aluminum surface of the mStand was overheating the bottom side of the laptop, somehow. Interestingly, this did not improve the situation much compared to the glass. Now for the shocking part (at least shocking to me): Reaching for straws at this point, I ended up opening the lid with the hopes of feeling how hot each part of the keyboard surface was by touch. Eureka moment here, suddenly clock speed is back at 1004Mhz or nearby, and game is running at steady 60fps. Close the lid, and a after a few seconds throttling starts. Open it back again and MHz are back to max. Which leads to the conclusions: - Heat is the main root cause for throttling
- As I read somewhere, whatever sensor is used for throttling is not listed in the Macs Fan Control sensors list
- Throttling cannot be fully disabled (at least in Windows, haven't researched if MacOS behaves better)
- > this means that the lowest throttling value will be fixed at 214 Mhz
- CPU power consumption helps a little bit (down to 25W)
- GPU's throttling values can be tuned to stabilize FPS. A balance between temperature and performance is ideal. Since MBP's heat dissipation is awful, I found the most stable settings to be 950Mhz (State1 to State6), with Min (State0) being immutable at 214 and keeping the Max (State7) at the stock 1004MHz.
- Fan Control set to Custom settings on both left and right side fans: Monitor based on GPU PECI sensor (60~68)
Apologies for the long post, I hope it serves as reference for other people going crazy due to this problem.
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Post by aurelien23 on May 27, 2020 16:56:46 GMT
Hello gents,
After miticulous reads, tuto, videos and so on about "How to get that MBP with Radeon Pro 560X to work "decently" under windows playing some actual games with decent quality/performance ratio?"
I'm sharing the same conclusions as Daves in the post above, as temperature is going too high too quickly for the MBP fan to handle it. Then Throttling appears badly.
I'm mostly playing simracing games like rFactor2 and some FPS like HnG or Warframe.
I've noticed my GPU temp (with 1004Mhz clock) reaches 81/82 degrees (and higher of course) before dramatically slows down to get finally stuck at 214Mhz and 71/72 degrees for the rest of the gamig time.
At times GPU tries to get an higher clock before slowing down again and again resulting in FPS drops destroying the gaming experience...
Symptoms are clearly what has been explained above.
My working solution to enjoy gaming my MBP is the following.
1) Clean the MBP vents behind and on the side, some dust balls can be there not helping with temp management.
2) Use FanControls on Full Blast before lauching anygame
3) Ideally put MBP on a glass table, but 4 pieces of cork below the MBP made the trick for me with almost no contact on any surface and hopefully get the air flow better
4) Underclock your GPU to 604Mhz (-40% in wattman)/ Undervolt you GPU to 760mV (factory minimum +10mV)
5) Disable CPU Turbo Boost, No Undervolting
6) Add some max FPS cap in Radeo Software
As conclusion, 604Mhz is a low value but the value making steady stable playing for hours.
Let's hope it helps some of you.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 27, 2020 20:34:56 GMT
Did anyone get an underclocking or undervolting solution to work with Vega 16 or Vega 20, or is it not possible on these GPUs?
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Post by fradri on May 29, 2020 20:32:01 GMT
Hello gents, After miticulous reads, tuto, videos and so on about "How to get that MBP with Radeon Pro 560X to work "decently" under windows playing some actual games with decent quality/performance ratio?" I'm sharing the same conclusions as Daves in the post above, as temperature is going too high too quickly for the MBP fan to handle it. Then Throttling appears badly. I'm mostly playing simracing games like rFactor2 and some FPS like HnG or Warframe. I've noticed my GPU temp (with 1004Mhz clock) reaches 81/82 degrees (and higher of course) before dramatically slows down to get finally stuck at 214Mhz and 71/72 degrees for the rest of the gamig time. At times GPU tries to get an higher clock before slowing down again and again resulting in FPS drops destroying the gaming experience... Symptoms are clearly what has been explained above. My working solution to enjoy gaming my MBP is the following. 1) Clean the MBP vents behind and on the side, some dust balls can be there not helping with temp management. 2) Use FanControls on Full Blast before lauching anygame 3) Ideally put MBP on a glass table, but 4 pieces of cork below the MBP made the trick for me with almost no contact on any surface and hopefully get the air flow better 4) Underclock your GPU to 604Mhz (-40% in wattman)/ Undervolt you GPU to 760mV (factory minimum +10mV) 5) Disable CPU Turbo Boost, No Undervolting 6) Add some max FPS cap in Radeo Software As conclusion, 604Mhz is a low value but the value making steady stable playing for hours. Let's hope it helps some of you. How can I underclock and undervolt GPU? Please could you explain in detail for newbies like me? Thanks a lot! |
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