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Post by achandlerwhite on Apr 25, 2020 21:33:22 GMT
Update: I have a found a solution that works for me consistenty. Install ONLY the drivers (and not the rest of the AMD Radeon software). I also don't run Throttlestop since my games appeared to be CPU limited. Mac Fans on Full Blast mode. Yeah I don't get the extra Radeon software features but the tradeoff is worth it to me. (
To install ONLY the driver go into safe mode, run DDU 3x as normal, then reboot. Then in device manager find the generic default video adapter and update its driver by pointing it the folder where you extracted the April drivers from bootcampdrivers.com. You might have to also install the sound driver if you need that -- I don't so I didn't mess with it.
I tested over 20 times with XCom2 and The Division 2 benchmark. With ONLY the driver I get good consistent clocks (800 - 1200mhz) and FPS (~60fps) at acceptable temps. At some points it does downclock but it would recover back up to the normal range fairly quickly. I then tried again with the AMD Radeon software installed, and after a while it would downclock to about 500mhz and never recover. I even tried it with the Apple drivers... not even worth mentioning the results.
I hope someone else can try it and confirm.
BTW, I still can't get MorePowerTool to recognize the 5300M.
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Post by 2tlavenue on Apr 26, 2020 10:35:37 GMT
Update: I have a found a solution that works for me consistenty. Install ONLY the drivers (and not the rest of the AMD Radeon software). I also don't run Throttlestop since my games appeared to be CPU limited. Mac Fans on Full Blast mode. Yeah I don't get the extra Radeon software features but the tradeoff is worth it to me. ( To install ONLY the driver go into safe mode, run DDU 3x as normal, then reboot. Then in device manager find the generic default video adapter and update its driver by pointing it the folder where you extracted the April drivers from bootcampdrivers.com. You might have to also install the sound driver if you need that -- I don't so I didn't mess with it. I tested over 20 times with XCom2 and The Division 2 benchmark. With ONLY the driver I get good consistent clocks (800 - 1200mhz) and FPS (~60fps) at acceptable temps. At some points it does downclock but it would recover back up to the normal range fairly quickly. I then tried again with the AMD Radeon software installed, and after a while it would downclock to about 500mhz and never recover. I even tried it with the Apple drivers... not even worth mentioning the results. I hope someone else can try it and confirm. BTW, I still can't get MorePowerTool to recognize the 5300M. It’s very interesting. Will try it and tell you my results! Thank you for the share!
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Post by 2tlavenue on Apr 28, 2020 23:32:18 GMT
I have a question.
Why some people can hit more than 80°C on GPU while gaming without throttling like this guy :
Whereas when I hit 80°C it throttles from around 1000Mhz To 500Mhz. (Playing AC Odissey at high settings on 1080p frame rates locked at 40fps, GPU temp is around 75/80°C and it’s throttling when hitting 80°C)
And also, something strange is that a few weeks ago I was able to play at around 1000Mhz And 80°C+ for hours without throttling down to 500Mhz. But now it’s impossible, throttling appears quickly (I reinstalled windows a few times, without the latest updates at first to see if it was the problem, but it didn’t change a thing.) It’s very annoying, could this be a driver issue ? (I’m using red jan drivers 20 as the April don’t work on my mbp... but I also tested with the blue and had the exact same issue).
Is this something some of you have Managed to fix installing April drivers (Having this issue before) ?
MBP16” 5500M 8go i9 2,3Ghz using Throttle stop and mac fans control at full speed.
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Post by leon on Apr 29, 2020 10:49:01 GMT
Hello everyone! I have available MBR16 i7 + 5300m. I think that the problem with frequency dropping is a system defect. I spent a lot of time to solve the problem with different programs and drivers, but I didn’t achieve anything. In a RDR2 game, frequencies are reset to 300 mhz after 2-3 minutes of a game. Attention, the temperature of the GPU and CPU does not exceed 75 degrees. I'm very upset by Apple! It's like buying a car with a 3-liter engine, and it goes like a car with 1 liter! What is this nonsense? I believe that this is a guarantee case, since some people do not have such a problem, there are enough of them both on this forum and on YouTube, the video from which was published above.
I thought MorePowerTool would solve the problem, but it does not see 5300m and accordingly bios cannot be loaded into it. As far as I know, there is no other program for controlling the frequencies of a video card.
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Post by slakouze on Apr 29, 2020 11:50:56 GMT
I don't know if it will help, but I'm using that guy's video Throttle Stop settings running on my MBP 16" with a 5500M 8Gb. On COD MW, it seems to work. I'm on Blue Edition.
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Post by kutuzvden on Apr 29, 2020 12:07:48 GMT
Hello everyone! I have available MBR16 i7 + 5300m. I think that the problem with frequency dropping is a system defect. I spent a lot of time to solve the problem with different programs and drivers, but I didn’t achieve anything. In a RDR2 game, frequencies are reset to 300 mhz after 2-3 minutes of a game. Attention, the temperature of the GPU and CPU does not exceed 75 degrees. I'm very upset by Apple! It's like buying a car with a 3-liter engine, and it goes like a car with 1 liter! What is this nonsense? I believe that this is a guarantee case, since some people do not have such a problem, there are enough of them both on this forum and on YouTube, the video from which was published above. I thought MorePowerTool would solve the problem, but it does not see 5300m and accordingly bios cannot be loaded into it. As far as I know, there is no other program for controlling the frequencies of a video card. First. Problem with a throttling is a software problem (not hardware), cause in macOS MBP is working great at 85-90 C when rendering. Maybe the problem is in T2 chip (for, example, temperature lock for all OS, that not macOS). Second. We have just one solution - making temperature lower and lower. Third. The best solution for ALL people, which have MBP 16" is replacement thermal paste (a have about 3 pastes and 2 liquid metal setups and the best one - paste Kryonaut from grizzly, liquid metal dries out). Fourth. The best drivers for low temperatures is DECEMBER drivers by Matt, cause memory frequency is locked at 740mhz. In other drivers by Matt mem frequency is locked at 1450mhz, causing very high temps and do (almost) nothing in perfomance (difference between them is about 10 C). Fifth. To get the bios of your card use a gpu-Z utility. And the best solution to get lower temps via MorePowerTool to avoid throttling is limiting high frequencies at "Frequency" tab. Dont touch OverDrive limits (you just get nothing), don't touch "Power and Voltage" (if you will limit the power, videocard will always get a constant power and temps will increase, if not, power will changing - it's better to get lower temps). All you can do at "Power and Voltage" - it's undervolt the high border of Voltage, but it's not the best solution. JUST GET LOWER FREQUENCIES AT "FREQUENCY" TAB. Sixth. You can apply setting of MPT WITHOUT RESTARTING YOUR MBP. Just use "restart64.exe" from CRU utility package - it will restart your videodrivers without restarting MBP. Seventh. Use the cooling pad when gaming. That's all. If you do all of these things, youll get stable frequences and perfomance equal to desktop 1060 (3gb) card. P.S. And use ThrottleStop too!
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Post by leon on Apr 29, 2020 12:22:14 GMT
Hello everyone! I have available MBR16 i7 + 5300m. I think that the problem with frequency dropping is a system defect. I spent a lot of time to solve the problem with different programs and drivers, but I didn’t achieve anything. In a RDR2 game, frequencies are reset to 300 mhz after 2-3 minutes of a game. Attention, the temperature of the GPU and CPU does not exceed 75 degrees. I'm very upset by Apple! It's like buying a car with a 3-liter engine, and it goes like a car with 1 liter! What is this nonsense? I believe that this is a guarantee case, since some people do not have such a problem, there are enough of them both on this forum and on YouTube, the video from which was published above. I thought MorePowerTool would solve the problem, but it does not see 5300m and accordingly bios cannot be loaded into it. As far as I know, there is no other program for controlling the frequencies of a video card. First. Problem with a throttling is software problem (not hardware), cause in macOS MBP is working great at 85-90 C when rendering. Maybe the problem is in T2 chip (for, example, temperature lock for all OS, that not macOS). Second. We have just one solution - making temperature lower and lower. Third. The best solution for ALL people, which have MBP 16" is replacement thermal paste (a have about 3 pastes and 2 liquid metal setups and the best one - paste Kryonaut from grizzly, liquid metal dries out). Fourth. The best drivers for low temperatures is DECEMBER drivers by Matt, cause memory frequency is locked at 740mhz. In other drivers by Matt mem frequency is locked at 1450mhz, causing very high temps and do (almost) nothing in perfomance (difference between them is about 10 C). Fifth. To get the bios of your card use a gpu-Z utility. And the best solution to get lower temps via MorePowerTool to avoid throttling is limiting high frequencies at "Frequency" tab. Dont touch OverDrive limits (you just get nothing), don't touch "Power and Voltage" (if you will limit the power, videocard will always get a constant power and temps will increase, if not, power will changing - it's better to get lower temps). All you can do at "Power and Voltage" - it's undervolt the high border of Voltage, but it's not the best solution. JUST GET LOWER FREQUENCIES AT "FREQUENCY" TAB. Sixth. You can apply setting of MPT WITHOUT RESTARTING YOUR MBP. Just use "restart64.exe" from CRU utility package - it will restart your videodrivers without restarting MBP. Seventh. Use the cooling pad when gaming. That's all. If you do all of these things, youll get stable frequences and perfomance equal to desktop 1060 (3gb) card. Friend, thanks for the info! I tried everything except MorePowerTool, since the program only works with 5500 and higher. I have 5300. I’ll ask the developer to add support for our cards. Also did not try the driver from December, only this remains. If the problem is in the software, why do many people see a completely different throttling system? Why do I get a decrease in frequencies after 5 minutes with a temperature of 75, and in a person in a video with a temperature of 80 the frequency goes from 1000 or more? The settings are similar, of course, I tried.
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Post by kutuzvden on Apr 29, 2020 12:27:03 GMT
First. Problem with a throttling is software problem (not hardware), cause in macOS MBP is working great at 85-90 C when rendering. Maybe the problem is in T2 chip (for, example, temperature lock for all OS, that not macOS). Second. We have just one solution - making temperature lower and lower. Third. The best solution for ALL people, which have MBP 16" is replacement thermal paste (a have about 3 pastes and 2 liquid metal setups and the best one - paste Kryonaut from grizzly, liquid metal dries out). Fourth. The best drivers for low temperatures is DECEMBER drivers by Matt, cause memory frequency is locked at 740mhz. In other drivers by Matt mem frequency is locked at 1450mhz, causing very high temps and do (almost) nothing in perfomance (difference between them is about 10 C). Fifth. To get the bios of your card use a gpu-Z utility. And the best solution to get lower temps via MorePowerTool to avoid throttling is limiting high frequencies at "Frequency" tab. Dont touch OverDrive limits (you just get nothing), don't touch "Power and Voltage" (if you will limit the power, videocard will always get a constant power and temps will increase, if not, power will changing - it's better to get lower temps). All you can do at "Power and Voltage" - it's undervolt the high border of Voltage, but it's not the best solution. JUST GET LOWER FREQUENCIES AT "FREQUENCY" TAB. Sixth. You can apply setting of MPT WITHOUT RESTARTING YOUR MBP. Just use "restart64.exe" from CRU utility package - it will restart your videodrivers without restarting MBP. Seventh. Use the cooling pad when gaming. That's all. If you do all of these things, youll get stable frequences and perfomance equal to desktop 1060 (3gb) card. Friend, thanks for the info! I tried everything except MorePowerTool, since the program only works with 5500 and higher. I have 5300. I’ll ask the developer to add support for our cards. Also did not try the driver from December, only this remains. If the problem is in the software, why do many people see a completely different throttling system? Why do I get a decrease in frequencies after 5 minutes with a temperature of 75, and in a person in a video with a temperature of 80 the frequency goes from 1000 or more? The settings are similar, of course, I tried. Situation with throttling in Windows is the same for all - if youll get 80C, frequencies will drop down, temp will drop down too. After 5 mins system increasing frequencies (cause temp getting lower), itll increase temp, youre getting throttling one more time.
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Post by leon on Apr 29, 2020 12:46:26 GMT
Friend, thanks for the info! I tried everything except MorePowerTool, since the program only works with 5500 and higher. I have 5300. I’ll ask the developer to add support for our cards. Also did not try the driver from December, only this remains. If the problem is in the software, why do many people see a completely different throttling system? Why do I get a decrease in frequencies after 5 minutes with a temperature of 75, and in a person in a video with a temperature of 80 the frequency goes from 1000 or more? The settings are similar, of course, I tried. Situation with throttling in Windows is the same for all - if youll get 80C, frequencies will drop down, temp will drop down too. After 5 mins system increasing frequencies (cause temp getting lower), itll increase temp, youre getting throttling one more time. Please, watch the video above. Fps does not fall on this even with a temporary decrease in frequency. At the same time, his frequency is dynamic and rarely drops below 300. I have a constant frequency of 300 MHz after 1-2 minutes of playing at 75 degrees! And many others users on this forum too.
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Post by kutuzvden on Apr 29, 2020 13:11:53 GMT
Situation with throttling in Windows is the same for all - if youll get 80C, frequencies will drop down, temp will drop down too. After 5 mins system increasing frequencies (cause temp getting lower), itll increase temp, youre getting throttling one more time. Please, watch the video above. Fps does not fall on this even with a temporary decrease in frequency. At the same time, his frequency is dynamic and rarely drops below 300. I have a constant frequency of 300 MHz after 1-2 minutes of playing at 75 degrees! And many others users on this forum too. He's playing from external SSD. When youre starting OS from an external drive, T2 chip is semi-disabled (look in Google - Linux, for example, cant be installed on internal SSD cause T2 chip).
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Post by kutuzvden on Apr 29, 2020 13:12:52 GMT
Maybe ill test windows from an external SSD.
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Post by leon on Apr 29, 2020 13:30:18 GMT
Please, watch the video above. Fps does not fall on this even with a temporary decrease in frequency. At the same time, his frequency is dynamic and rarely drops below 300. I have a constant frequency of 300 MHz after 1-2 minutes of playing at 75 degrees! And many others users on this forum too. He's playing from external SSD. When youre starting OS from an external drive, T2 chip is semi-disabled (look in Google - Linux, for example, cant be installed on internal SSD cause T2 chip). The T2 chip is not responsible for resetting frequencies. I run the game with an SSD, though my thunderbolt cable has not arrived yet. I use usb-c.
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Post by domizi on Apr 29, 2020 14:24:16 GMT
I have a question. Why some people can hit more than 80°C on GPU while gaming without throttling like this guy : Whereas when I hit 80°C it throttles from around 1000Mhz To 500Mhz. (Playing AC Odissey at high settings on 1080p frame rates locked at 40fps, GPU temp is around 75/80°C and it’s throttling when hitting 80°C) And also, something strange is that a few weeks ago I was able to play at around 1000Mhz And 80°C+ for hours without throttling down to 500Mhz. But now it’s impossible, throttling appears quickly (I reinstalled windows a few times, without the latest updates at first to see if it was the problem, but it didn’t change a thing.) It’s very annoying, could this be a driver issue ? (I’m using red jan drivers 20 as the April don’t work on my mbp... but I also tested with the blue and had the exact same issue). Is this something some of you have Managed to fix installing April drivers (Having this issue before) ? MBP16” 5500M 8go i9 2,3Ghz using Throttle stop and mac fans control at full speed. have you tried to use only your right ports for charging? that helped me a lot to have lower temperatures. I also finished RDR2 on my macbook 16 5500 almost without throttling, however used only December drivers
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Post by loaferz on Apr 29, 2020 16:59:14 GMT
I have a mbp 16 i9 2.3 5500 8gb running windows off an external ssd and can FINALLY play modern warfare at around 60fps at 1440p. Using the blue April drivers and MPT settings from kutuzvden but modified so that the minimum GPU frequency is set to 800mhz. Don't need to use throttlestop since COD ends up setting the CPU down in increments until it's all the way to 800mhz after a few minutes of playing (anybody else notice this?). Was a having a ton of stability and crash issues until I tried the "put the charging cord on the right side usbc ports". Literally fixed everything. No more gpu throttling, no more crashes. GPU and CPU stay around 75C. I know it sounds dumb, but try it.
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Post by domizi on Apr 29, 2020 17:07:43 GMT
I have a mbp 16 i9 2.3 5500 8gb running windows off an external ssd and can FINALLY play modern warfare at around 60fps at 1440p. Using the blue April drivers and MPT settings from kutuzvden but modified so that the minimum GPU frequency is set to 800mhz. Don't need to use throttlestop since COD ends up setting the CPU down in increments until it's all the way to 800mhz after a few minutes of playing (anybody else notice this?). Was a having a ton of stability and crash issues until I tried the "put the charging cord on the right side usbc ports". Literally fixed everything. No more gpu throttling, no more crashes. GPU and CPU stay around 75C. I know it sounds dumb, but try it. Uh, I just love uneducated twats. apple.stackexchange.com/questions/363337/how-to-find-cause-of-high-kernel-task-cpu-usage
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