domizi
Experienced Boot Camper
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Post by domizi on May 29, 2020 7:52:57 GMT
I had a chance to test Process Lasso - turning off hyperthreading. Unfortunately, in my case it did not change lower GPU clock speeds. The temperature is low but during throttling, it was low anyway. What I noticed is, now the GPU throttles not because of the temperature but because of something else which I have no idea. With hyperthreading and full on 8core 8 thread - I do play a good 2-3 minutes temperatures rise to 85-90 degrees with GPU at clock speeds of 1100-1300MHz then GPU hits to low 300MHz then causes BD:PROCHOT and CPU goes to 800MHz. With disabled hyperthreading - full on 8 core - GPU clock speed starts with 1100-1300MHz after 5 seconds it gets low down to 300-400... longer period will be tested With 4 core 4 threads - same With 8 core 4 threads - same Temperatures are very well in good shape with disabling but I see no benefit. I will power limit GPU and increase the minimum frequency and see how it behaves triggering the BD: PROCHOT. It does not look promising. Fingers crossed. So far it looks like a new thermal paste and dust cleaning is on the way. Nothing is fixing it or at least showing a sign of a sparkle. Edit: I have added the signals. Disabling hyperthreading does not work at all. BD: PROCHOT gets kicked in quite fast. I tried 4 and 8 Cores only and both of them fails. Temperatures do not get hot with all threads active but still there is 0 affect of it on GPU throttle and that causing the CPU going down to min freq. GPU was limited to 40W and lowest frequency was set to 600 MHz from morepowertool which did not work at all. I used MorePowerTool for the first time yesterday and it worked perfectly. I haven't read through the whole thread, but are you just not restarting your computer after applying new MorePowerTool settings? All I did was change the TDP max to 40W, the frequency range to 800MHz min and 1100 MHz max, hit "Write SPPT", and rebooted. Then in Afterburner while gaming I can see that I maintain a steady ~1000Mhz clock without ever breaking 80C GPU core. Note that I am also using ThrottleStop to set long and short power max to 25W. While gaming I see the CPU hover around 15W and 75C. It all depends on the game. I was playing some AAA games without throttling, but other lower tier games were a nightmare.
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Post by neimos on May 29, 2020 9:10:11 GMT
I had a chance to test Process Lasso - turning off hyperthreading. Unfortunately, in my case it did not change lower GPU clock speeds. The temperature is low but during throttling, it was low anyway. What I noticed is, now the GPU throttles not because of the temperature but because of something else which I have no idea. With hyperthreading and full on 8core 8 thread - I do play a good 2-3 minutes temperatures rise to 85-90 degrees with GPU at clock speeds of 1100-1300MHz then GPU hits to low 300MHz then causes BD:PROCHOT and CPU goes to 800MHz. With disabled hyperthreading - full on 8 core - GPU clock speed starts with 1100-1300MHz after 5 seconds it gets low down to 300-400... longer period will be tested With 4 core 4 threads - same With 8 core 4 threads - same Temperatures are very well in good shape with disabling but I see no benefit. I will power limit GPU and increase the minimum frequency and see how it behaves triggering the BD: PROCHOT. It does not look promising. Fingers crossed. So far it looks like a new thermal paste and dust cleaning is on the way. Nothing is fixing it or at least showing a sign of a sparkle. Edit: I have added the signals. Disabling hyperthreading does not work at all. BD: PROCHOT gets kicked in quite fast. I tried 4 and 8 Cores only and both of them fails. Temperatures do not get hot with all threads active but still there is 0 affect of it on GPU throttle and that causing the CPU going down to min freq. GPU was limited to 40W and lowest frequency was set to 600 MHz from morepowertool which did not work at all. I used MorePowerTool for the first time yesterday and it worked perfectly. I haven't read through the whole thread, but are you just not restarting your computer after applying new MorePowerTool settings? All I did was change the TDP max to 40W, the frequency range to 800MHz min and 1100 MHz max, hit "Write SPPT", and rebooted. Then in Afterburner while gaming I can see that I maintain a steady ~1000Mhz clock without ever breaking 80C GPU core. Note that I am also using ThrottleStop to set long and short power max to 25W. While gaming I see the CPU hover around 15W and 75C. Yeah, the problem with that is it is very game dependent. Apex Legends is very GPU dependent game and 1000MHz cause it to reach 85-90 degrees with 3GHz CPU and I throttle. I even tried it with 800MHz max - where those are ok at first all my frequencies fall down to min which then triggers BD PROCHOT. Can you screenshot your morepowertool pages and paste here. I can copy paste all of them - maybe other parameters are causing it ? (I doubt it but I am hopeless and rdy to try anything)
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Post by plasmotron on May 29, 2020 9:51:47 GMT
Hello, How did you succeed to use morePoweTool with your macbookpro radeon 5500m pro ? I have the radeon 5300m pro in mine. Should I flash the amd bios to enable freq control ?
morePoweTool is not even listing my gpu in the top select menu
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Post by plasmotron on May 29, 2020 10:41:23 GMT
Also I was wondering .. Are there actual macbook pro 16'' users not having this GPU throttling issue on bootcamp ? I don't see the youtubers reviewing gaming on macbookpro reporting this issue in fact
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Post by neimos on May 29, 2020 14:40:41 GMT
Hello, How did you succeed to use morePoweTool with your macbookpro radeon 5500m pro ? I have the radeon 5300m pro in mine. Should I flash the amd bios to enable freq control ?
morePoweTool is not even listing my gpu in the top select menu
Yes, 5300m has this problem. It does not get recognised. Normally, what you have need to do is you install Techpowerups GPU-Z and from there you click on the arrow key next to the BIOS in the Graphics Card settings where you save your BIOS to a file and back it up. Then in MorePowerTool you click on load and load the Bios settings into the program, do your changes and restart. I don't know whether it has been fixed for 5300m but this is what I have read. Try it.
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Post by plasmotron on May 30, 2020 0:08:35 GMT
Thanks for this information, I tried to start morepowertool as an admin and click load but nothing happend .. I guess the file explorer is supposed to open
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 30, 2020 0:24:05 GMT
I just received my MBP. I will let you know the results of all the tweaks soon.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 30, 2020 5:46:42 GMT
I am now downloading the full War Thunder client. I disabled Turbo Boost through a Registry Editor add-on reported by geeks3d.com. It is very snappy after the top case replacement, and there are no performance issues in desktop Windows so far.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 30, 2020 7:13:59 GMT
I've done the following change to a 15" MBP with i9 and Vega 20 graphics: - Play on table with hard glass surface - Fans at max - Disable turbo boost with Registry Editor add-on and hyperthreading via Process Lasso - Reduce cores used in-game to 4 instead of 6 - Air conditioning on (66 F-72 F) These are my results with a couple of War Thunder benchmarks. Settings were at 1920x1200 movie settings with reduced tree range. The highest CPU temperature in Test Flight mode was 70 C. No significant difference in temperature was observed with minimum or very high shadows.
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Post by neimos on May 30, 2020 14:09:03 GMT
I've done the following change to a 15" MBP with i9 and Vega 20 graphics: - Play on table with hard glass surface - Fans at max - Disable turbo boost with Registry Editor add-on and hyperthreading via Process Lasso - Reduce cores used in-game to 4 instead of 6 - Air conditioning on (66 F-72 F) These are my results with a couple of War Thunder benchmarks. Settings were at 1920x1200 movie settings with reduced tree range. The highest CPU temperature in Test Flight mode was 70 C. No significant difference in temperature was observed with minimum or very high shadows. Your temperatures are looking good but the game is not pushing the limits of your machine. You have 35% utulization on GPU and for some reason your GPU also clocked down or was it an instance ? What happens when you have a GPU demanding game? Any case those temperatures are really good. Why don't you install MSI afterburner and record the 5-10 min of gameplay sensor recordings then we can comment on whats happening ?
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 30, 2020 17:59:50 GMT
I've done the following change to a 15" MBP with i9 and Vega 20 graphics: - Play on table with hard glass surface - Fans at max - Disable turbo boost with Registry Editor add-on and hyperthreading via Process Lasso - Reduce cores used in-game to 4 instead of 6 - Air conditioning on (66 F-72 F) These are my results with a couple of War Thunder benchmarks. Settings were at 1920x1200 movie settings with reduced tree range. The highest CPU temperature in Test Flight mode was 70 C. No significant difference in temperature was observed with minimum or very high shadows. Your temperatures are looking good but the game is not pushing the limits of your machine. You have 35% utulization on GPU and for some reason your GPU also clocked down or was it an instance ? What happens when you have a GPU demanding game? Any case those temperatures are really good. Why don't you install MSI afterburner and record the 5-10 min of gameplay sensor recordings then we can comment on whats happening ? The hangar isn't a demanding part. In-game matches and Test Flight are were more demanding. When showing many objects on the screen, GPU clocks up anywhere from 1000-1282MHz. Utilization rises up to 99%. This game uses nearly the entire 4GB of VRAM I have during an extensive gameplay session. I already have MSI Afterburner and RivaTuner Statistics server installed. Those allow me to put an overlay. This was an initial test that nearly lasted one hour. I will have a real one with Discord voice chat and screen recording at the same time.
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Post by plasmotron on May 30, 2020 19:56:34 GMT
Thanks for all this feedback goldmaster11 . So, to sum it up, to avoid absurd GPU throttling you had to bring your MBP to Apple store repair ? And now after 1 hour of gaming at 99 percent GPU usage, your GPU stays in between 1000-1282MHz ?
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 31, 2020 8:36:12 GMT
Thanks for all this feedback goldmaster11 . So, to sum it up, to avoid absurd GPU throttling you had to bring your MBP to Apple store repair ? And now after 1 hour of gaming at 99 percent GPU usage, your GPU stays in between 1000-1282MHz ? GPU utilization in-game sits anywhere from 50-100% depending on the intensity of the scene displayed on the screem during gameplay. It runs at full speed nearly all the time except when the on-screen scene is idle, or I switched from desktop to the game. I have screen recorded with the overlay via Xbox Game Bar. I will upload my footage of a couple matches, but it only got a cropped top left portion of the screen recorded.
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Post by plasmotron on May 31, 2020 12:41:57 GMT
Ok, but you had to return your MBP to apple repair ? you had more GPU throttling before ? And it's a MBP 15" ? Not the radeon pro 5500m or 5300m right ?
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Post by neimos on May 31, 2020 17:38:00 GMT
Your temperatures are looking good but the game is not pushing the limits of your machine. You have 35% utulization on GPU and for some reason your GPU also clocked down or was it an instance ? What happens when you have a GPU demanding game? Any case those temperatures are really good. Why don't you install MSI afterburner and record the 5-10 min of gameplay sensor recordings then we can comment on whats happening ? The hangar isn't a demanding part. In-game matches and Test Flight are were more demanding. When showing many objects on the screen, GPU clocks up anywhere from 1000-1282MHz. Utilization rises up to 99%. This game uses nearly the entire 4GB of VRAM I have during an extensive gameplay session. I already have MSI Afterburner and RivaTuner Statistics server installed. Those allow me to put an overlay. This was an initial test that nearly lasted one hour. I will have a real one with Discord voice chat and screen recording at the same time. Well then that’s a good result! What did you do? Did you take it to the Apple and they changed thermals? Or was it a new purchase? I am confused but still glad you are running smoothly And also what is the maximum temperature that you see on your GPU/CPU after 10-15 mins of play like that? Interestingly what I have figured out with mine is if I power limit GPU from a fresh restart to 30W I have never seen a BD Prochot and highest temperature for GPU was 78 - but the clock speeds were 400-500 MHz still low. Now increasing power limit I know 35 watts throttle so it has to be around there. Once there is throttling GPU has the control over my computer
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