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Post by goldmaster11 on May 26, 2020 20:30:36 GMT
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Post by neimos on May 26, 2020 21:52:51 GMT
Thanks goldmaster, I will defo try this and see if it has benefits. Well tbh the only way that I see it can help is we can keep the thermals low hence the GPU won't go mad. But I think I need to limit the GPU first. Power limit it maybe to 30W with a low freq setting 800MHz or so. See if it also triggers the thermals and my lovely BD PROCHOT. I will report when I find new findings. Also I am thinking of taking the laptop to the apple store once this COVID break ends and request them to thermal paste the gpu / clean dust. I really wonder if they would do that ?
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 26, 2020 23:37:47 GMT
Thanks goldmaster, I will defo try this and see if it has benefits. Well tbh the only way that I see it can help is we can keep the thermals low hence the GPU won't go mad. But I think I need to limit the GPU first. Power limit it maybe to 30W with a low freq setting 800MHz or so. See if it also triggers the thermals and my lovely BD PROCHOT. I will report when I find new findings. Also I am thinking of taking the laptop to the apple store once this COVID break ends and request them to thermal paste the gpu / clean dust. I really wonder if they would do that ? 100 Apple Stores are reopening this week. Today is the first day the one I visit reopened. I would not know if they do replace thermal paste. That is something that you will have to ask your Apple Store about, and the answer could differ between stores and employees. However, Apple does clean MacBooks off dust from the inside from my experience with them. For some time, cleaning the dust helped my 15” MBP in Boot Camp. However, it has been months since my last keyboard replacement, so dust could have formed up. I have noted that the heatsink should be checked along with the top case replacement when I shipped it out via FedEx last week. It has arrived at a repair center and is undergoing diagnostics. However, in my previous tests, Apple did not detect hardware issues in their diagnostics. macOS does not get drastic thermal throttling with GpuTest and the Terminal command cpu yes /dev/null. FurMark throttles the system even at 640x480. I will find out once it comes back. I am planning to produce video footage of my Boot Camp installation and gaming once it releases with both 10.15.5 and Windows 10 1909 or 2004 installed.
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Post by pazzavlad on May 27, 2020 10:39:20 GMT
Btw, I think when we will have more videos\blogpost about this problem we should write to MacRumors and AppleInsider editors (and other Apple-relater media) so that they write article about this. It may increases the likelihood that Apple notice it and react to it. They tend to fix stuff much more faster when media cover it... I can do this myself but someone need to edit the letter before sending, because my english really sucks)
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Post by achandlerwhite on May 27, 2020 17:05:32 GMT
I’ve been thinking about this and wonder if anyone has checked to see if the default boot camp drivers have this same behavior. We know they are slower— maybe Apple did that on purpose to manage the power better? I have a new 16 inch coming this week so I plan to check the behavior.
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Post by pazzavlad on May 27, 2020 17:14:21 GMT
I’ve been thinking about this and wonder if anyone has checked to see if the default boot camp drivers have this same behavior. We know they are slower— maybe Apple did that on purpose to manage the power better? I have a new 16 inch coming this week so I plan to check the behavior. i've tried original bootcamp drivers about 2 weeks ago, and it didn't make throttling any better.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 27, 2020 20:50:19 GMT
We should have these throttling threads pinned.
It is reasonably widespread on forums and Reddit and affecting several users with more oowerful MBP models.
At best, we have limited control over the throttling issues in Windows. Only Apple can really stop them. None of the media outlets currently cover Boot Camp issues with much detail. It is an issue that many Mac users don't know, yet affects Mac enthusiasts wanting their Macs to be able to do everything.
I am in to help write to them some things once enough video evidence is out to prove this is a major, unresolved issue.
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Post by achandlerwhite on May 27, 2020 20:57:20 GMT
Also, do games running in MacOS have the same problem? I have tried Xcom2 in both Windows and MacOS and I'm pretty sure it had the throttling, but not definitively. Of course it also was slower than in Windows in general.
-Drew
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Post by neimos on May 27, 2020 22:37:23 GMT
We should have these throttling threads pinned. It is reasonably widespread on forums and Reddit and affecting several users with more oowerful MBP models. At best, we have limited control over the throttling issues in Windows. Only Apple can really stop them. None of the media outlets currently cover Boot Camp issues with much detail. It is an issue that many Mac users don't know, yet affects Mac enthusiasts wanting their Macs to be able to do everything. I am in to help write to them some things once enough video evidence is out to prove this is a major, unresolved issue. I can’t agree more. I think they should be pinned also. So many times I keep looking for them. I will also try to make a video as well and post it here
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Post by jamesst20 on May 27, 2020 23:29:48 GMT
Hi,
I live in Quebec City, Canada, today in my room it went as high as 33 degree celcius. The summer just arrived, it's the first very hot day and I had never experienced with my Macbook Pro 16" 2019 (Radeon Pro 5500).
Today, playing "Zelda Ocarina Of Time" on Dolphin was completely impossible. It worked for a minute and then start being very laggy. I usually play it 4k@30FPS, but I wasn't able to even get 4k@20FPS stable (like the original N64) or even 720p@20FPS. No matter what I tried it was completly unplayable.
I rebooted, removed all drivers using DDU, reinstalled, nothing. Now that my bedroom cooled down to 24 degrees, it's playable.
I'm shocked.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 28, 2020 0:43:41 GMT
Also, do games running in MacOS have the same problem? I have tried Xcom2 in both Windows and MacOS and I'm pretty sure it had the throttling, but not definitively. Of course it also was slower than in Windows in general. -Drew MacBook Pros have voltage optimizations under macOS. The Mac version of War Thunder is more stable than the Windows version at the cost of lower graphics settings. Opening up the hangar and test flight mode never gets as hot as quickly as it does under Windows.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 28, 2020 0:46:47 GMT
Hi, I live in Quebec City, Canada, today in my room it went as high as 33 degree celcius. The summer just arrived, it's the first very hot day and I had never experienced with my Macbook Pro 16" 2019 (Radeon Pro 5500). Today, playing "Zelda Ocarina Of Time" on Dolphin was completely impossible. It worked for a minute and then start being very laggy. I usually play it 4k@30FPS, but I wasn't able to even get 4k@20FPS stable (like the original N64) or even 720p@20FPS. No matter what I tried it was completly unplayable. I rebooted, removed all drivers using DDU, reinstalled, nothing. Now that my bedroom cooled down to 24 degrees, it's playable. I'm shocked. Do indie games with very low system requirements give you throttling issues? I used to play Cold Waters last summer, and that was also happening to my MBP 15" 2018 in Boot Camp even though it was known to run well on older PCs and even the oldest MacBook Airs on macOS. I easily handled high settings when it was new as well as on a 560X MBP I used to have without throttling issues.
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Post by neimos on May 28, 2020 11:14:54 GMT
I had a chance to test Process Lasso - turning off hyperthreading. Unfortunately, in my case it did not change lower GPU clock speeds. The temperature is low but during throttling, it was low anyway. What I noticed is, now the GPU throttles not because of the temperature but because of something else which I have no idea. With hyperthreading and full on 8core 8 thread - I do play a good 2-3 minutes temperatures rise to 85-90 degrees with GPU at clock speeds of 1100-1300MHz then GPU hits to low 300MHz then causes BD:PROCHOT and CPU goes to 800MHz. With disabled hyperthreading - full on 8 core - GPU clock speed starts with 1100-1300MHz after 5 seconds it gets low down to 300-400... longer period will be tested With 4 core 4 threads - same With 8 core 4 threads - same Temperatures are very well in good shape with disabling but I see no benefit. I will power limit GPU and increase the minimum frequency and see how it behaves triggering the BD: PROCHOT. It does not look promising. Fingers crossed. So far it looks like a new thermal paste and dust cleaning is on the way. Nothing is fixing it or at least showing a sign of a sparkle. Edit: I have added the signals. Disabling hyperthreading does not work at all. BD: PROCHOT gets kicked in quite fast. I tried 4 and 8 Cores only and both of them fails. Temperatures do not get hot with all threads active but still there is 0 affect of it on GPU throttle and that causing the CPU going down to min freq. GPU was limited to 40W and lowest frequency was set to 600 MHz from morepowertool which did not work at all.
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 28, 2020 17:46:43 GMT
It is clear that a hardware approach may be needed to solve these problems by replacing the thermal paste.
Would anyone be able to buy the new SVALT S Pro Cooling Stand and find out if it stops the throttling?
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Post by tbook on May 29, 2020 3:47:02 GMT
I had a chance to test Process Lasso - turning off hyperthreading. Unfortunately, in my case it did not change lower GPU clock speeds. The temperature is low but during throttling, it was low anyway. What I noticed is, now the GPU throttles not because of the temperature but because of something else which I have no idea. With hyperthreading and full on 8core 8 thread - I do play a good 2-3 minutes temperatures rise to 85-90 degrees with GPU at clock speeds of 1100-1300MHz then GPU hits to low 300MHz then causes BD:PROCHOT and CPU goes to 800MHz. With disabled hyperthreading - full on 8 core - GPU clock speed starts with 1100-1300MHz after 5 seconds it gets low down to 300-400... longer period will be tested With 4 core 4 threads - same With 8 core 4 threads - same Temperatures are very well in good shape with disabling but I see no benefit. I will power limit GPU and increase the minimum frequency and see how it behaves triggering the BD: PROCHOT. It does not look promising. Fingers crossed. So far it looks like a new thermal paste and dust cleaning is on the way. Nothing is fixing it or at least showing a sign of a sparkle. Edit: I have added the signals. Disabling hyperthreading does not work at all. BD: PROCHOT gets kicked in quite fast. I tried 4 and 8 Cores only and both of them fails. Temperatures do not get hot with all threads active but still there is 0 affect of it on GPU throttle and that causing the CPU going down to min freq. GPU was limited to 40W and lowest frequency was set to 600 MHz from morepowertool which did not work at all. I used MorePowerTool for the first time yesterday and it worked perfectly. I haven't read through the whole thread, but are you just not restarting your computer after applying new MorePowerTool settings? All I did was change the TDP max to 40W, the frequency range to 800MHz min and 1100 MHz max, hit "Write SPPT", and rebooted. Then in Afterburner while gaming I can see that I maintain a steady ~1000Mhz clock without ever breaking 80C GPU core. Note that I am also using ThrottleStop to set long and short power max to 25W. While gaming I see the CPU hover around 15W and 75C.
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