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Post by 2tlavenue on May 18, 2020 10:49:28 GMT
Hey everyone,
Like many of us here, I have some annoying GPU throttling when gaming. I have the MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz but this problem isn't only for 5500M with 8gb users I've seen in this forum people experiencing the exact same issue with 5500M 4gb, or 5300M. The issue is, after around 10min of gameplay, (with mac fans control at full blast and throttle stop enabled) the GPU is getting very hot (+85°) and the clock is throttling from 1300Mhz to 500Mhz (with a GPU usage blocked at 99%). I can't avoid it without using More Power Tool and limit the clock and power of the GPU, I can't use the GPU like it should work.
But there is videos on youtube of people gaming and reaching 1300Mhz staying at around 74°C on the GPU, or reaching +80° without GPU throttling. (both are 5500M 4gb users) like this one : and this one :
Could this be because some MBP16" have had bad thermal past application on the GPU by Apple ? Could someone having this temp/throttling issue could open his MBP16" and take a look at the GPU thermal paste (I know nothing about this stuff so I don't want to destroy my mac checking that) ?
Or could this be a bug in the BIOS of some GPU ?
I tried several times to reinstall windows, tried all the different drivers (apple drivers, then january blue, red v2) and it never changes a thing. April drivers don't work on my MBP16" I have black screen when launching games, could this be linked to the GPU temp prob ? Does people having GPU temp rising and GPU throttling all have the black screen issue with April drivers, could this be related ? In this case it would be a software prob right ?
In order to find where does the problem comes from, it would be awesome if all MBP16" users in this forum can reply and tell if they're experiencing the same issues or not, precise what GPU they have and if they have both the GPU temp and black screen issue. Also if someone experiencing GPU temp issue did or can take a look inside is MBP16" to see the state of it's thermal paste, it would be awesome.
I hope we can fix this problem some day ! Max
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fech
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Post by fech on May 18, 2020 17:53:11 GMT
I am having the same problem as you.
My GPU (5500m) power throttles to very low, and it's shit performance. Do not really understand why Apple is deceiving it's customers in such way, with these expensive computers. I was between ditching Apple and not buying a MacBook Pro, but decided to do it again. And now I kind of regret it, It is unacceptable that this computer considering it's cost and it's part, cannot perform the way that it should perform.
I was getting better performance and graphics with a eGpu (Nvidia 970gtx) + mid-2014 MBP.
Please post if you find something online about fixing these issues.
The most I have been able to fix is with throttlestop, disabling turbo (then again, what a compromise...)
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domizi
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Post by domizi on May 18, 2020 19:46:07 GMT
what games are you playing? I've had much success with playing almost all my few my games without throttling. RDR2, Fifa20, war of mine, Witcher 3 (up to 1hour and then throttle kicks in)...
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Post by 2tlavenue on May 18, 2020 20:32:47 GMT
what games are you playing? I've had much success with playing almost all my few my games without throttling. RDR2, Fifa20, war of mine, Witcher 3 (up to 1hour and then throttle kicks in)... Mostly AC Odissey but I had the same issue with AC Syndicate and Jedi Fallen Order, If I don’t limit my GPU temps are quickly rising at +85°C
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Post by goldmaster11 on May 20, 2020 8:23:05 GMT
It would also help to see the current state of thermal paste on others’ older MacBook Pros.
The application of thermal paste in the 2019 models is usually better than on the older models.
It seems likely it is one of the issues relating to the throttling.
When I had a logic board replacement on my 2018 MBP in the summer of 2019, sustained performance without tweaks in Boot Camp only lasted around a week before they came back.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 14:28:13 GMT
I can tell you first hand the thermal paste is awful. Seriously terrible, clearly applied by a third rate industrial machine. It's everywhere and spotted, so contact with the GPU/CPU itself is poor.
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Post by 2tlavenue on May 24, 2020 18:16:42 GMT
I can tell you first hand the thermal paste is awful. Seriously terrible, clearly applied by a third rate industrial machine. It's everywhere and spotted, so contact with the GPU/CPU itself is poor. Thank you for your feedback on thermal paste!
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Post by drewberg11 on Jun 10, 2020 1:45:06 GMT
I’m having the exact same issues. Base 5500m model. I followed that second video exactly. Same drivers and same Quick CPU settings. Mac fan control full blast. Tried the exact same Metro exodus graphics settings and I’m getting plenty of frame rate dips and temps in the mid 80s. Any scripted sequence drops low into the 20fps range. I tried outer worlds as well and that game is even worse. Constantly bouncing between 1400mhz and sub 300mhz. The frequency drops also bring severe frame rate drops. I don’t understand. Anyone have any luck sorting this out? I’ve even tried lowering my CPU watts to 20w and the min/max CPU clocks to 2.8/3.4 respectively and a target 3.2. Same issues. Getting frustrated.
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Post by emefkaner on Jun 11, 2020 12:47:32 GMT
Jesus - THANK YOU Guys! i googled like crazy to find someone with the same issue! I got the same MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz and i got this stuttering at a specific temperature - normale at around 5 minutes into a game. I get solid 60fps and then every 5 seconds it drops to 19-25fps witch leads to a high unplayability. Strange thing is - I got my MBP since Nov 2019 - and everything worked fine with the Dezember and January releases of Bootcampdriver.com but now since corona is out and i got a little more time to test things out - i get this stuttering now that i hadnt hat bevor. So first thought: downgrade to the older Drivers (Dez oder Jan) - but like 2tlavenue i got no different result - the jittering is still on. what I already tried: + MacFanCotroll locked on Fullspeed + Throttlestop to the Turbo to around 60 Watts
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Post by 2tlavenue on Jun 11, 2020 12:55:20 GMT
Hey everyone, Like many of us here, I have some annoying GPU throttling when gaming. I have the MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz. The issue is, after around 10min of gameplay, the GPU is getting very hot (+85°) and the clock is throttling from 1300Mhz (50W) to +900Mhz (40W) (with a GPU usage blocked at 99%). I had throttling down to 500Mhz before but I haven't experienced it again since I've updated to windows 2004 and macos 10.15.5. I thought it could be because of bad thermal paste so I opened my MBP to see if it was the case, then repasted it with grizzly kryonaut : I'm not an expert of thermal paste but the thermal paste on CPU seems to be dried out. I noticed there was a "scratch" on the GPU cooler :I don't know how deep it is and if it was really a scratch, but could this be why the GPU is getting so hot ? I know this is a pain in the ass, but for those of you having heat issues, could you repaste your MBP and see if your GPU cooler is scratched too ? After repasting, temps are the same on CPU and GPU, I didn't see any improvement. I've seen an user on this forum telling he gained -10°C repasting with grizzly kryonaut, now that I repasted mine, I doubt thermal paste application is the cause of his improvement. Here is my GPU throttling video (will post another one if I experience 500Mhz throttling again): I hope with all those proofs, we will have an answer from Apple and they'll fix the problem. Max
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Post by pazzavlad on Jun 11, 2020 13:29:13 GMT
Jesus - THANK YOU Guys! i googled like crazy to find someone with the same issue! I got the same MBP 16" 5500M 8gb 64gb ram i9 2,3Ghz and i got this stuttering at a specific temperature - normale at around 5 minutes into a game. I get solid 60fps and then every 5 seconds it drops to 19-25fps witch leads to a high unplayability. Strange thing is - I got my MBP since Nov 2019 - and everything worked fine with the Dezember and January releases of Bootcampdriver.com but now since corona is out and i got a little more time to test things out - i get this stuttering now that i hadnt hat bevor. So first thought: downgrade to the older Drivers (Dez oder Jan) - but like 2tlavenue i got no different result - the jittering is still on. what I already tried: + MacFanCotroll locked on Fullspeed + Throttlestop to the Turbo to around 60 Watts Same things with me. When I bought macbook in January and test GTA5 for few hours, I was able to get 50-60FPS in native resolution and High settings. A month ago I can't got such framerate even in 1080p. In January ambient temperature in the room was much lower than now and month ago. This reinforces the theory about ambient temperature as the main factor of such behaviour.
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Post by emefkaner on Jun 11, 2020 13:43:21 GMT
could it be a problem with any of the Windows Updates? Because if i play Mafia 3 on MacOS i could play that for hours on the same MBP-System. Its only just in Windows and first got noticed around...2 months ago. Yesterday i upgraded to the new new May Update of Win10 - but still the same problem...
I would GUESS its Windows Problem - not exactly a Graphics Driver problem. Could someone test some games on MacOS if the problem doesnt exist there eighter?!
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Post by emefkaner on Jun 11, 2020 15:17:52 GMT
so - i checked it again - and its definitly a temperature problem. as soon as my GPU hits 84°C the Macbook is throtteling down my CPU from 3400 MHz to 800MHz and the GPU from 1200MHz to 300MHz as soon as the temperature falls (what happens in around 1.5 seconds) it gets back to the original clock rates - and then it goes on and on and resulting in that stuttering effect on constantly changing clockrates from high to ultralow. Unplayable. If you switch to desktop - the GPU cools down and you can try it again - till it hits that 84°C mark. Then the stuttering starts again.
Anyone got the same observation?
Any idea how to NOT get the clock rates to drop to such low values due to the GPU temperature reaching 84°C?!
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Post by pazzavlad on Jun 11, 2020 20:11:49 GMT
If it goes back to 1200MHz after cool down - it's normal behaviour and "normal throttling". May be 85 degree is max temp. Try to set lower graphics. The problem that many people have is it frequency is not goin back to 1200 even after temperature deeps below 70...
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Post by yasdf007 on Jul 1, 2021 22:34:43 GMT
Finally! After a couple of months of investigation into this issue I found this topic and people who heard of this problem! Have anybody tried to resolve this? Was Apple willing to help and “repair” such MacBooks? Maybe replace them? I will heavily appreciate any feedback!!
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