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Post by Mat HD on Jan 22, 2020 23:11:44 GMT
Apologies for being slightly off topic but as it’s being discussed... Would anyone be willing to give me some advice on eGPU’s for bootcamp? I’ve tried to sign up for the eGPU.io forums but bizarrely haven’t had any luck. I’m a bit reluctant to jump in & buy one without having a definite idea what I’m spending my money on. For example, I’ve read that using a 1080 ti on a TB3 connection with a Razer Core X you would lose circa 30% of the cards performance on the internal display? Can that be right?! Many thanks for any help. I'm not an expert but from experience, whatever eGPU you use in bootcamp you will lose performance. Actually, even with an external monitor, an eGPU has less performance than if it were installed in a PC. It just comes with the territory, but even 70% of a 1080 ti is a lot of performance. The best eGPU enclosure I'd say is the Razer Core X or Razer Core X Chroma, at least for people like me who don't know all the enthusiast level brands. You can't go wrong if you buy one of those in my opinion. I would also recommend choosing AMD over NVIDIA if you plan on using this eGPU on your Mac OS X partition as well. Apple doesn't have native NVIDIA support, only AMD.
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Post by hackintosh on Jan 23, 2020 4:16:02 GMT
Still no luck on my Mac Pro 2013 (D700)for the Adrenalin January 2020 edition (20.1.2) either. Blue screen with lines when the Radeon Setting pops up in the system tray. I've watched the how video (DDU x5 times) tried all edition red/blue. Never have problem till 2020 edition. Going back to the Adrenalin-2019-BootCamp-Nov-Edition-A works fine no issue with that version. Any help or info? Thanks for the hard work by the way. More than Apple/AMD would try.
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Post by hightower on Jan 23, 2020 8:18:52 GMT
Thanks for the help Gents.
I know I’m likely to be asking you to tell me how long a piece a string is, but if I did lose 30% performance, am I going to see enough of a jump over my built in RX580 to justify the (close to £700) price of the card and enclosure?
If I were to go for an AMD card, what should I be looking at? I’m not that bothered about using the eGPU in MacOS to be honest, but I wouldn’t write AMD cards off. The branding of AMD stuff is pretty confusing...I’ve no idea what is new, powerful etc in the AMD range.
Thanks again. I’ve tried twice to sign up to eGPU.io and not got the confirmation email to 2 separate email addresses. No idea why.
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Post by Valkyrionetz on Jan 23, 2020 8:27:33 GMT
Thanks for the help Gents. I know I’m likely to be asking you to tell me how long a piece a string is, but if I did lose 30% performance, am I going to see enough of a jump over my built in RX580 to justify the (close to £700) price of the card and enclosure? If I were to go for an AMD card, what should I be looking at? I’m not that bothered about using the eGPU in MacOS to be honest, but I wouldn’t write AMD cards off. The branding of AMD stuff is pretty confusing...I’ve no idea what is new, powerful etc in the AMD range. Thanks again. I’ve tried twice to sign up to eGPU.io and not got the confirmation email to 2 separate email addresses. No idea why. If you have the budget for a 700 GBP card then my answer is easy: buy the Radeon VII. It's AMD's top of the line card with the newest 7nm, Vega 2 architecture. It has 16GB of RAM and is a monster.
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Post by hightower on Jan 23, 2020 8:29:25 GMT
Still no luck on my Mac Pro 2013 (D700)for the Adrenalin January 2020 edition (20.1.2) either. Blue screen with lines when the Radeon Setting pops up in the system tray. I've watched the how video (DDU x5 times) tried all edition red/blue. Never have problem till 2020 edition. Going back to the Adrenalin-2019-BootCamp-Nov-Edition-A works fine no issue with that version. Any help or info? Thanks for the hard work by the way. More than Apple/AMD would try. Did you select the uninstall/restart option in addition when you’ve run setup.exe? That worked for me.
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Post by hightower on Jan 23, 2020 8:33:51 GMT
Thanks for the help Gents. I know I’m likely to be asking you to tell me how long a piece a string is, but if I did lose 30% performance, am I going to see enough of a jump over my built in RX580 to justify the (close to £700) price of the card and enclosure? If I were to go for an AMD card, what should I be looking at? I’m not that bothered about using the eGPU in MacOS to be honest, but I wouldn’t write AMD cards off. The branding of AMD stuff is pretty confusing...I’ve no idea what is new, powerful etc in the AMD range. Thanks again. I’ve tried twice to sign up to eGPU.io and not got the confirmation email to 2 separate email addresses. No idea why. If you have the budget for a 700 GBP card then my answer is easy: buy the Radeon VII. It's AMD's top of the line card with the newest 7nm, Vega 2 architecture. It has 16GB of RAM and is a monster. Thanks for the advice. According to this though, it’ll cost me more and is weaker than the 1080 ti. I was only really looking at £700 including the cost of the enclosure. I’ll be able to buy it in the USA so will be looking at approx £240 for it. gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-AMD-Radeon-VII/3918vs4035
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Post by Valkyrionetz on Jan 23, 2020 9:34:32 GMT
Well if you choose to buy an Nvidia card that's ok but the drivers associated with this forum are modified AMD drivers, so no Nvidia support here (from what I know). Also "more powerful" is pretty relative since it depends on the application, game, drivers and more. Nvidia has been known to overprice and ship their cards as weaker versions of what they can potentially actually put out on the market. This is also a bit of AMD's fault since for years they had no high-end alternative to Nvidia's high-end cards.
Anyway, again, you chose, they are just different cards with different architectures that will both probably evolve as drivers update and improve over time.
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Post by hightower on Jan 23, 2020 10:29:21 GMT
That’s all understood, thanks again. It’s a tough call...I play mostly sims and the RX580 really struggles to pump out much more than 30-40FPS (if I’m very lucky) on modern games at 1440p. I also play an older game based on an old engine and any AA at all just kills the FPS, I’m talking 15-25. Without it it looks awful.
The other alternative is sell my Mac and just buy a gaming PC. I’m not sure I’m ready to make that leap because MacOS eats Windows for breakfast.
That said, I’m tempted to bite the bullet and get one. I figure if it’s no good I can always sell it again on eBay or something, given the core x is as rare as a running rocking horse in the UK there should be demand for it.
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Post by Valkyrionetz on Jan 23, 2020 12:42:18 GMT
That’s all understood, thanks again. It’s a tough call...I play mostly sims and the RX580 really struggles to pump out much more than 30-40FPS (if I’m very lucky) on modern games at 1440p. I also play an older game based on an old engine and any AA at all just kills the FPS, I’m talking 15-25. Without it it looks awful. The other alternative is sell my Mac and just buy a gaming PC. I’m not sure I’m ready to make that leap because MacOS eats Windows for breakfast. That said, I’m tempted to bite the bullet and get one. I figure if it’s no good I can always sell it again on eBay or something, given the core x is as rare as a running rocking horse in the UK there should be demand for it. Firstly, hey, don't panic if you don't find something in the UK. You can still order something from Europe and not pay taxes, correct? I live in Eastern Europe, Romania, Bucharest but ordered my Razer Core X from Amazon.de (Germany) and my Radeon VII from Amazon.fr (France). They arrive in even two days if you pay priority shipping, the price depends mostly on weight, so yes the Razer Core X price for regular shipping was about $50 but you DO NOT pay import taxes and can return the items if something is wrong or they don't arrive and you get full refunds, including the shipping you paid. The Amazon customer support is amazing.
You never stated what Mac you have, Windows is actually much more efficient at gaming using the same machine. Regarding older games, AMD just a released a feature for this with it's new drivers called Integer Scaling, you can look that up if you're interested.
Also I'm looking at the prices online of a 1080ti and everywhere I look it's more expensive than the Radeon VII. If you were referring to the card and not the Razer Core X in the previous post when you mentioned $240, be careful, it could be a Chinese knock-off.
The 1080ti is an amazing card but it is also 3 years old. Nvidia has had 3 years to refine it with driver updates and features but at some point it WILL stop supporting it with the newest features, even if not soon. Just something to keep in mind.
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Post by Mat HD on Jan 23, 2020 12:46:48 GMT
That’s all understood, thanks again. It’s a tough call...I play mostly sims and the RX580 really struggles to pump out much more than 30-40FPS (if I’m very lucky) on modern games at 1440p. I also play an older game based on an old engine and any AA at all just kills the FPS, I’m talking 15-25. Without it it looks awful. The other alternative is sell my Mac and just buy a gaming PC. I’m not sure I’m ready to make that leap because MacOS eats Windows for breakfast. That said, I’m tempted to bite the bullet and get one. I figure if it’s no good I can always sell it again on eBay or something, given the core x is as rare as a running rocking horse in the UK there should be demand for it. Firstly, hey, don't panic if you don't find something in the UK. You can still order something from Europe and not pay taxes, correct? I live in Eastern Europe, Romania, Bucharest but ordered my Razer Core X from Amazon.de (Germany) and my Radeon VII from Amazon.fr (France). They arrive in even two days if you pay priority shipping, the price depends mostly on weight, so yes the Razer Core X price for regular shipping was about $50 but you DO NOT pay import taxes and can return the items if something is wrong or they don't arrive and you get full refunds, including the shipping you paid. The Amazon customer support is amazing. You never stated what Mac you have, Windows is actually much more efficient at gaming using the same machine. Regarding older games, AMD just a released a feature for this with it's new drivers called Integer Scaling, you can look that up if you're interested. Also I'm looking at the prices online of a 1080ti and everywhere I look it's more expensive than the Radeon VII. If you were referring to the card and not the Razer Core X in the previous post when you mentioned $240, be careful, it could be a Chinese knock-off. The 1080ti is an amazing card but it is also 3 years old. Nvidia has had 3 years to refine it with driver updates and features but at some point it WILL stop supporting it with the newest features, even if not soon. Just something to keep in mind.
This is true until Brexit happens .
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Post by Valkyrionetz on Jan 23, 2020 13:23:35 GMT
Yeah, as foreigner looking outside in on that phenomenon, it seems really sad. Countries breaking ties instead of strengthening them in this day and age. But this isn't a politics forum.
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robeez
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Post by robeez on Jan 23, 2020 13:27:16 GMT
Does installing bootcampdrivers on windows in bootcamp mode, affect the drivers when MacOS is running?
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Post by geauxjeaux on Jan 23, 2020 14:13:28 GMT
First, thanks Mat for the awesome drivers. I'm on a 16in MacBook Pro with an I9 and 4gb 5500m and have experienced significant performance boosts after installing January Blue drivers. My problem is that I'm experiencing thermal throttling even after running Macs fan control on full blast. Has anyone else been able to successfully game for extended periods and not experience thermal throttling? The gpu doesn't exceed 80C but I experience FPS drops after an hour or so and I can see GPU usage drops in task manager. Has anyone had any good results with Throttlestop? MSI afterburner doesn't allow me to tweak settings, so any help would be appreciated.
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Post by Valkyrionetz on Jan 23, 2020 17:40:18 GMT
First, thanks Mat for the awesome drivers. I'm on a 16in MacBook Pro with an I9 and 4gb 5500m and have experienced significant performance boosts after installing January Blue drivers. My problem is that I'm experiencing thermal throttling even after running Macs fan control on full blast. Has anyone else been able to successfully game for extended periods and not experience thermal throttling? The gpu doesn't exceed 80C but I experience FPS drops after an hour or so and I can see GPU usage drops in task manager. Has anyone had any good results with Throttlestop? MSI afterburner doesn't allow me to tweak settings, so any help would be appreciated. All I know is they optimized Mac OS X exactly to avoid this issue for laptops but when in Windows those optimizations aren't there anymore. I'm not familiar with any solutions though.
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Post by goldmaster11 on Jan 23, 2020 20:38:33 GMT
First, thanks Mat for the awesome drivers. I'm on a 16in MacBook Pro with an I9 and 4gb 5500m and have experienced significant performance boosts after installing January Blue drivers. My problem is that I'm experiencing thermal throttling even after running Macs fan control on full blast. Has anyone else been able to successfully game for extended periods and not experience thermal throttling? The gpu doesn't exceed 80C but I experience FPS drops after an hour or so and I can see GPU usage drops in task manager. Has anyone had any good results with Throttlestop? MSI afterburner doesn't allow me to tweak settings, so any help would be appreciated. Use 20W as turbo boost long power limit and/or Disable Turbo in ThrottleStop. From startup, use Macs Fan Control at full blast before launching any games. Ambient temperatures matter a lot with laptops. Have them lower than 70 degrees Fahrenheit for maximum performance. Do not have any programs that take up more of CPU. It gets somewhat hotter when you’re screensharing on Discord or have some Chrome tabs open. If you are playing a game that is CPU-intensive, some CPU throttling may be inevitable at some point. Expect this if you’re going to play flight simulators such as IL-2 Sturmovik and DCS World. A good CPU is needed for realistic physics and game world simulation. However, with the right graphics settings, you should be able to run some flight sims at ultra quality while not throttling too much. Emulators don’t really need as much power limits as PC games. Just full blast the fans before starting up Citra or Yuzu. They don’t use too much of the GPU, and the single-core clock speed matters the most. Loading screens cause a turbo boost while using the GPU at the same time. If you can’t exit to the desktop from the game, expect the computer to be hot as soon as the level loads.
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